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your fear of capturing imprisonment is

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an implant from millions of years ago

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then it was captured by an invader force

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bent on turning you to the darkest way

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you've been implanted with a push-pull

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mechanism that keeps you fearful of

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authority and destructive

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we are in the middle of a battle that's

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a trillion years in the making and it's

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bigger than

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that's philip seymour hoffman and

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master which is

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kind of loosely based on the life of

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elrond hubbard which is a topic that we

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certainly talk about today in this

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gosh just a great great researcher and

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writer author philip fairbanks here's

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know he not only gets the girl then he

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buy a boat and then sail it back here to

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california and we'll make a lot of money

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and we'll split it all we need you to

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put up do the money and give us a free

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boat to get the other boat with like

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so that's and that's literally after but

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the his ex like i almost have to respect

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huckster tradition that's so

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quintessentially american you know

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like you know what i'm gonna take a

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bunch of rubes for their money it's just

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so insane like they were gonna do a sex

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ritual out in the desert and they did i

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girlfriend i think because like

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initially jack parsons was going to have

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sex with his girlfriend he's like wait

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jack

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girlfriend and you could be the one

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who's like watching us and saying the

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stuff you could be reciting stuff

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while i'm having sex with your

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girlfriend who we will later embezzle

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reality beyond that which is the

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spiritual so when he does go out and

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perform these rights and rituals under

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the direction of crowley right because

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parsons jack parsons reaches out to

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crowley and says i'm your number one guy

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i want to be your number one agent and

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little bit of that huckster in him too

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absolutely yeah and he loved jack

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relationship ruined it uh because when

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he saw he's like no no no that's what

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you don't you don't believe in that

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stuff you get the other guy to believe

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a lot of places that not everybody's

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willing to go

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society which shapes the individual even

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hundred million others on earth i think

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spiritual stuff until we're willing to

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certain viewpoint and then we look at

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the political which is where you're

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brownstoning operation is it a human

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compromise operation yes it is but then

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is it evil in some way that we don't

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adventures in wonderland and uh talk

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about j and barry the author of peter

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pan uh which sadly you know for anybody

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who wasn't aware

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pedophiles

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interesting thing about philip fairbanks

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is he has been on the mk ultra stuff

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information he's amassed the amount of

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documents that he has if you really

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documents and stuff that he's got for

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your request stuff that he's just found

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squirreled away so

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talk to him about that even as horrific

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canada's mengele you know is what they

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gottliebazar mengele but yep as you've

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they were doing on people are more than

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what's become the kind of cartoon tropo

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didn't know about it oh they were so bad

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beds and not letting them and

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sensory deprivation stuff and you know

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breaking people and breaking people and

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intentionally bringing the enormous

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later and whether it's guys like ken

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keezy and leonard cohen or whether it's

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kaczynski because all of them

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stargate just so people understand this

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you know all this stuff backwards and

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forwards i'm not telling you but l ron

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hubbard has start scientology so

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whatever blend it is of

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scientology and lo and behold because

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want to call it satan you want to go we

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that culture but what they'll tell you

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the end of the day phil

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me to keep those [\h__\h] from

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to the spiritual you really ain't

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talking about anything so when i get a

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parapolitical history topics but then is

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welcome to skeptica where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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garrison today we welcome philip

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phil is a writer

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researcher he's the author of pedogate

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primer the politics of pedophilia and

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the forthcoming deep state penetrating

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phil it's awesome i've heard you on some

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each other on the union of the unwanted

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podcast yeah that was a lot of fun

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it was and uh you have some great great

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super excited to talk about all this

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you know what my goal here or my plan is

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started writing at a very young age and

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all this stuff right but there's some

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other cool stuff about your background

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i don't know i was thinking back to you

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genuine protestant exorcism not

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everybody gets to experience one of

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those so when i got the chance i made

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sure to take them up on the offer

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so i'm referring to an article blog post

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on phil's website titled the protestant

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exorcism a true story and maybe you can

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tell a little bit about the story

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because it's kind of funny but also what

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that means about your your background

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you know i mean you're a kid you're

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growing up there's a lot of stuff

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tennessee very interesting

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interesting tennessee is interesting

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it's interesting from this normal

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standpoint so go heads

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well for one thing and talking about the

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the background and how it was raised uh

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it's kind of interesting because i came

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from kind of a

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uh somewhat strict kind of

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fundamentalist uh upbringing you know

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homeschooled until fifth grade granddad

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was a southern baptist preacher and you

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know and that definitely uh shaped a lot

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of uh you know who i am and whatnot then

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i'd say probably in my teens i started

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you know

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kind of getting interested in some other

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things especially a lot of the stuff

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that was considered taboo when i was

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growing up you know and and that would

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include like pretty much anything the

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paranormal or or you know uh anything to

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do with psy or esp or ufos or any of

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that kind of stuff was all you know part

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of the the new age conspiracy because

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you know i kind of grew up during the

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the satanic panic era where you know

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heavy metal and and dungeons and dragons

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and and magic the gathering and all that

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kind of stuff you know star wars and

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star trek you know

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uh and and to to be fair you know when i

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look back at a lot of that stuff now you

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know i think it's silly to say that it's

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you know necessarily watching star trek

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the next generation isn't going to you

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know endanger your immortal soul

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but it is like when you look at it it's

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kind of you know un approved neoliberal

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programming which you know one of the

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things that we've been talking about in

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email is is like the stargate the cia

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and military stargate you know uh gene

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roddenberry was connected to some of

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that weird stuff at sri

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with a lot of these you know uh old

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money rich families and and you know a

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lot of them are really interested in

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ufos and psy you know the bronfens who

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are tied to nexium and all this kind of

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stuff but yeah as far as the uh the

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exorcism story yeah let me kind of pause

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you there for a second because yeah

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well there's just some different pieces

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that you've laid out that i think i want

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to make sure people get you know is so

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like

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this period where you're growing up in

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and kind of the strict

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you know

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homeschooling christian fundamentalist

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kind of thing and then the rebellious

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teenager you know you're doing drugs out

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in the woods with your friends

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and yeah yeah and all that stuff and and

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that's a story that gets repeated over

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and over again and you know yeah yeah

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one of the things we might explore and

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throw out here is to what extent uh

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christianity plays into that because

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then we see the you know sin and

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redemption and the way oh yeah

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because i've seen other people you know

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like you know multiple people have a

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similar story where maybe they had a

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christian uh upbringing then go through

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this rebellious period end up you know

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experimenting with drugs and crowley and

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robert on anton wilson and leary and

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lily and all this kind of stuff

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and then have kind of uh you know uh

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excuse the pun here but have a come to

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jesus moment where it's like you know

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actually what i was looking for this you

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know this spirituality this connection

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it was there all along and you know uh

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as for me yeah that's i i don't know

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it's like i kind of had a realization i

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think uh philip k dick helped me a

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little bit with that the science fiction

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author who is also maybe schizophrenic

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and uh definitely agnostic but like you

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know i was reading some of his stuff and

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uh especially like it was like a speech

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he'd given and he was talking about

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gnosticism and about how time is an

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illusion it's all it's it sounds nutty

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but at the same time it was like okay

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metaphor or not this makes sense

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and like it had that that crazy kooky

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psychedelic element to it but at the

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same time it was it's christianity at

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the same time you know the the this you

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know the this ancient warfare between

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good and evil etc so for me it kind of

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kind of dovetailed back i found and

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appreciated christianity more the second

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time maybe uh i don't know if that makes

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sense i think i think a lot of people

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who you know i i've seen this a lot with

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people who are raised in a church and

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then kind of you know it grows stale for

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them and then other people who aren't

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raised with religion and then they find

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it as an adult and it's just wow they

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latch on to it it's this new thing you

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know so i i think i got kind of got a

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chance to experience that with my little

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prodigal trip

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well

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there's so much there and i can't resist

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kind of diving into the christian thing

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because it's a big

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thing for me lately especially when

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we're going to talk about cults and

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we're going to talk about all these

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different ways of mind control and stuff

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like that and i i just

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i don't want to a priori leave

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christianity off the table there because

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i think that's where it belongs i don't

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force anyone else to believe that but i

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think historically you know the

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historical accounts of jesus

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fall into the category of a roman psyop

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and i think the evidence of that it's

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highly dependent on josephus and

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josephus is clearly an agent for the

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romans and this is like the with with

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panthera and the idea that mary was

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possibly

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or is that related to anything no no

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it's really related to just like do you

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know uh we're gonna go off on a tangent

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here but that's fine do you know who

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josephus is the historian yeah yeah yes

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so uh josephus is the guy he's in judea

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he's jewish right around the end

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yeah and he's a general and uh

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this is

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most

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historians who are writing of this

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period are relying on the works of

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josephus the works of josephus they'll

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admit are flawed because josephus is

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a proven liar he's proven liar in his

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own works

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he claims to be the greatest jewish

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you know teacher and knower and have

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completed all the

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wisdom traditions of his

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various three sects by the time he's 14.

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it just doesn't add up in a number of

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ways the things that he's saying sounds

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like l ron hubbard's background i did

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everything by the time i was 14 and now

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i'm writing the book on it

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yeah

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and it's so many people you know james

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randy also has that element you know

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they gave me a special they gave me a

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special pass at the library because i

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was so skifted and knowledgeable but

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that's a totally total other story the

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thing about josephus and people listen

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to this show all the time kind of get

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tired of me hammering on it but there's

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actually a quote that you can pull up

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and now i can't i'm not going to pull up

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that quote i always pull up the quote

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but it's right out of josephus's work

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and

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it is when vespasian who is

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the roman

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he's vying for that roman caesar kind of

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position

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and he uses

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josephus he turns josephus he comes and

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lands in galilee and he defeats him in

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battle and what i suspect happens

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contrary to the conventional

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conventional history is

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that josephus and 40 men lock themselves

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in a or barricade themselves in a cave

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and they commence with committing

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suicide in this kind of round-robin

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fashion until it gets down to just

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josephus and this other guy and then

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wouldn't you know he has a revelation

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and he says you know what maybe we

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shouldn't do this and i'm going to turn

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myself in and

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the reason they had to do the ronald

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robin thing was because jewish law said

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you can't kill yourself because he kills

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again the kind of classic kind of crazy

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i got you yeah yeah like so legalistic

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but it's got to be just so yeah exactly

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so

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he goes to vespasian and now

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he has this this is the conventional

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history which is something that's so

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interesting to me about history how they

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can completely fly off in a different

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direction in terms of psychic

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precognition precognitive uh of

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prophecy is okay at this part of history

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and then in other places you know they

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wouldn't do it but i digress again

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because what josephus does he goes to

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vistaphase and he goes

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i have a vision you are going to be

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caesar and he goes what he goes yes i

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have a vision you're gonna be caesar and

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he goes keep this guy around don't cut

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off his head like we have everybody else

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somehow because he says this which is a

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completely absurd idea but we let those

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things slip through history because they

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repeat it over and over again what

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really happened with josephus is

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josephus knew where the [\h__\h] in gold and

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silver was buried at the temple and he

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cut a deal with the spazian and said

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look kill me and you'll never get to it

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because look at the dead sea scrolls of

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today and it's a treasure map and it

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says go 200 feet from this 20 feet down

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here's it so that's what really happens

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this is the original psyop so then he

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becomes the

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historian

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history but phil

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and again this is like one of the most

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important stories that no one knows

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about

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he winds up writing war of the jews

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which becomes this kind of fundamental

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book for all christian scholars up to

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this point and in this book he actually

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says

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you know one of the things he's writing

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what he claims to be history and he's

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he's writing it we can't read it with

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the with all everything that we know now

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we have to read it as if it was at the

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time he was writing it because at the

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time he was writing it he was trying to

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influence people he was trying to do an

548
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,159
operation

549
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:22,720
and what he says in his writing is

550
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,840
you know what's wrong with these jews

551
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:27,280
and he's a jew

552
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,960
is that they in their all their books

553
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:32,960
they had read that

554
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,200
the messiah was going to come

555
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,679
from the soil of israel

556
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:39,919
and what they didn't realize is this

557
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,360
basian was on the soil of israel when he

558
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:45,760
became emperor so hey you're laughing

559
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,640
because you get it this is so obvio

560
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,559
obviously this is like a

561
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,919
and and when i talk to people i've

562
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:53,679
talked to a bunch of pretty valid

563
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,640
historians phds and stuff and they go

564
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,320
yeah but it didn't it didn't work or

565
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:00,960
that was a silly psyop it's like

566
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,760
oh you you can't say that no that's

567
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,000
that's that that was what i i loved

568
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:08,000
about the philip k dick thing because

569
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,960
it's the the idea that the roman empire

570
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,039
never died

571
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:15,360
it just pretended to be

572
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,240
the holy roman empire it's like

573
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,320
all of a sudden it's you know it's the

574
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:23,039
same folks and it's the same you know

575
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:25,840
right down to the the all the trappings

576
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:28,880
of you know a lot of what we consider

577
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,600
you know uh essential to christianity

578
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:33,919
was shaped by pagan traditions from

579
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,240
where you know we go we we go further

580
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,400
and further out west and we pick up all

581
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:40,559
these pagan traditions wherever we stop

582
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:43,120
and we add those to christianity because

583
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:44,640
it's like uh

584
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:46,880
it's it's like a layout it fits right

585
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,640
over you know uh the the pagan landscape

586
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:52,880
almost one-to-one uh kind of

587
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:55,440
relationship totally so what are we to

588
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,039
make of jesus

589
00:23:02,230 --> 00:22:58,960
that's the question that's the question

590
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,240
as it relates to all this stuff that

591
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,080
we're going to talk about it's as it

592
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:06,960
relates to satanism as it relates to

593
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:09,520
west memphis three you know right right

594
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,720
there it was west memphis arkansas but

595
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,280
you know it's the kids walking around

596
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,640
with the satanic panic shirts on and the

597
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,640
rock and roll bands and all that stuff

598
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,400
and everyone going oh that's just

599
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,159
ridiculous and then people the

600
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,400
christians saying no that's satan and

601
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,799
look right here in my bible how do we

602
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:30,159
resolve

603
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,280
those two extremes that

604
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:35,520
we're going to have to find some

605
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,640
resolution for but if the historical

606
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,799
jesus doesn't hold up and i would

607
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:42,720
maintain i'm sorry for the long long

608
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,480
story historical jesus doesn't hold up

609
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,240
what does hold up is christ

610
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:50,480
consciousness that in some way we don't

611
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:53,200
understand you can connect with some

612
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:54,640
divinity

613
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:57,600
and that may connect with or unders you

614
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,679
may understand it to be

615
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,000
jesus it may present itself to be jesus

616
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:04,640
who cares the point is it's going to try

617
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:07,360
and lead you towards the light

618
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,880
and there's this other force that's

619
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,880
going to try and lead you towards the

620
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:12,880
dark and

621
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:15,360
i think we need to sort that out a

622
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,480
little bit better than we have been if

623
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,159
we're really going to get to the bottom

624
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,720
of this what what i'm really jumping

625
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:24,960
into the deep waters but are you wearing

626
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,320
this as as far as the idea of you know

627
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:31,039
even religion as a whole being a psyop

628
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:32,559
to some extent

629
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:35,360
i think that it's possible to be

630
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:36,640
religious

631
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:40,000
and to also agree that yes on the whole

632
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,279
if you just take history you know just

633
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,080
look at history and see it as it's

634
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:48,799
shaped down down the millennia through

635
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:52,559
eon to eon yes absolutely religion and

636
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:55,200
culture you know uh

637
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,320
culture

638
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,039
is downstream of religion you know

639
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,360
religion shapes the culture which shapes

640
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:04,000
the society which shapes the individual

641
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,679
and uh

642
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:07,760
and as a result and i think there is

643
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,000
something to religion though i also

644
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,559
believe that even if it's just good for

645
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,720
me like one of the one of the questions

646
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:16,400
in here you know even if it's just good

647
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,360
for me and a few hundred million others

648
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:21,760
on earth i think it's worthwhile thing

649
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,720
you know and and i also technically

650
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:26,799
believe i think that religion can be

651
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:29,440
good for you regardless of the religion

652
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,039
for the most part i think that most

653
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,520
religions have a lot of the same basic

654
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,200
you know morality

655
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:36,880
and uh

656
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:40,559
but at the same time it's so easy to uh

657
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:43,440
you know take religious belief and you

658
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,360
know uh subvert and pervert that and it

659
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:49,919
that and if that's done over and over

660
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:52,559
again that's i i you know

661
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:56,880
uh i was raised in uh around organized

662
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,000
religion but now i'm not so much uh a

663
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,799
fan um you know or even right down to

664
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,120
the the council of nicaea you know i i

665
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,520
don't know i don't know that if

666
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,520
if if if everything that's in the

667
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:11,600
council of nicaea you know the great

668
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:14,640
khan of 300 a.d or 130 a.d or whatever

669
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,600
it was

670
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:17,440
i i don't know if that's absolutely

671
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,480
vital i think honestly when it comes to

672
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:23,039
like christianity per se it's about the

673
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:24,559
words in red

674
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:25,840
which

675
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:28,960
is about you know forgiveness and love

676
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,760
and a way to live your life uh

677
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:32,720
you know

678
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,400
just christianity

679
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,400
you just the same thing happens with

680
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:43,200
hinduism to buddhism and you know you

681
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,159
can even have judaism then branches into

682
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,200
christianity and then islam as well but

683
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:52,080
like it's it's the same basic morality

684
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:55,360
in the the 1.0 version is often a little

685
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:57,919
harsher because it came about thousands

686
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:59,840
of years earlier when you had to beat

687
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,240
somebody over the head with a club to

688
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:04,559
get them to understand no we don't kill

689
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:05,440
people

690
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,400
i'm gonna you know i'm gonna club this

691
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,480
into your head you don't kill people you

692
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:12,720
don't steal don't take your neighbor's

693
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:15,279
wife you know just this basic morality

694
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:18,840
stuff that most everybody agrees on

695
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,520
um uh but yeah

696
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,840
then when the second the the 2.0

697
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:25,360
versions come along you know you got

698
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,039
christianity islam uh buddhism i think i

699
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,520
think there is uh uh there's something

700
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:33,520
in all of them that kind of refines what

701
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:34,799
came before

702
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,240
necessary like foundational rules or

703
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,240
whatever and a lot of stuff that was

704
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,880
probably you know a lot of the leviticus

705
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:46,559
stuff and a lot of the stuff that you

706
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,919
find in like uh hinduism or whatever i

707
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:51,919
think a lot of that was situational

708
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:54,880
stuff like you know it was a good idea

709
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,240
at the time and place to do this and

710
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,480
then it just became written in stone

711
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,440
right uh but it's the words in red which

712
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,760
is you know because that that the idea

713
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:07,679
for me is that religion the reason why

714
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,640
it's so easy to subvert and pervert you

715
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:12,640
know is because

716
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:15,039
it it's it's so vital and it's it's the

717
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,720
battle between good and evil so it's

718
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:19,279
easy to get people wound up over that

719
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,039
kind of thinking and you know uh

720
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:25,200
politics you know i forgot who said it

721
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:26,960
but you know about how politics and

722
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:29,440
religion kind of like christianity and

723
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,399
rock music you know like uh they should

724
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,000
pretty much stick to their own sphere

725
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:36,880
because whenever they try to mix uh they

726
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,000
ruin each other so yeah i i think that

727
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,799
uh you know the the basic essence of

728
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,039
christianity is what's important

729
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,120
uh and

730
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:49,600
but unfortunately yeah like yeah

731
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,000
absolutely i've seen you know uh

732
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,399
christianity especially in the last in

733
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:57,360
the last 2000 years it's it's

734
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,039
for most of the last two thousand years

735
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:01,440
it's been one of the most important

736
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,880
factors guiding western culture and

737
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,960
civilization like just in the last

738
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:09,039
couple thousand years and it's on the

739
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,840
wane i'd say like absolutely you know

740
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,600
like i said it really does it comes down

741
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:15,360
to the words in red that's the important

742
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:18,080
stuff the rest of it it's you know

743
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,679
uh

744
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:21,440
like there's a hundred thousand rules in

745
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:22,720
every religion

746
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:25,760
but i think you know if if you lose the

747
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,640
message that's to me like you know what

748
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,039
makes uh jesus so important is like he

749
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,360
came he came along basically pointing

750
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,240
out like no you can follow all the rules

751
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,240
but the rules are just pointing towards

752
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,080
kind of like the the bruce lee quote

753
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:42,159
about the finger and the moon you know

754
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,960
uh

755
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,039
you don't look at the finger or you miss

756
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:47,919
all the uh heavenly glory the rules are

757
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:51,520
the finger pointing towards goodness and

758
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:53,120
righteousness whatever you want to call

759
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:56,000
it spirituality whatever uh however you

760
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:57,279
would put that

761
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,799
but here's the thing i i think we're

762
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,399
going to return to

763
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,559
that topic again and again because i

764
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,039
think it relates back to this story that

765
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:07,520
you wrote which is excellent back about

766
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,120
your past and about exorcism and about

767
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,039
what that means but i think it also

768
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,279
relates in some important ways to your

769
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:17,600
work the book that you're probably best

770
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,720
known for

771
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:20,399
pedogate primer the politics of

772
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:22,000
pedophilia you've done some excellent

773
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,360
interviews on this

774
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,240
and the reason i went in that long what

775
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:28,799
sounds like a tangent is

776
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:31,760
what we're trying to understand here

777
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,120
is something beyond the politics of

778
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,159
pedophilia so i commend you for even

779
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,480
taking it there because you know if we

780
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,200
look at it from a psychology

781
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:45,039
standpoint where they've tried to take

782
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,840
this with the false memory syndrome and

783
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,399
and it's not just that weird

784
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:52,880
organization that very very dark

785
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:55,360
organization that you've uncovered but

786
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:59,200
it's academia and modern psychology and

787
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:01,120
psychiatry which is behind that whole

788
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,159
thing which would say don't don't push

789
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:06,320
these people you give me a new term the

790
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,120
other day mine are attracted persons

791
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,039
they're naps yeah

792
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,000
they're not criminals who are committing

793
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,080
sex crimes against children raping

794
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:18,799
children no no no they're minor

795
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,039
attracted people we're going to put them

796
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:23,279
in as another letter in our alphabet

797
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:26,000
soup here my point is until we

798
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:29,200
understand some of that spiritual stuff

799
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,039
until we're willing to go there because

800
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,679
the first step we have to go is okay

801
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,080
psychology is [\h__\h] it's been

802
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,080
engineered to promote a certain

803
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,080
viewpoint and then we look at the

804
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,399
political which is where you're willing

805
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,559
to take us is this a brownstone

806
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:46,640
operation is it a human compromise

807
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:49,360
operation yes it is but then the third

808
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,720
layer is

809
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,200
is it evil in some way that we don't

810
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,840
normally talk about so i've laid a lot

811
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,320
out there but tell me what you think i i

812
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:00,720
almost hint to that in i guess in the

813
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,399
first chapter where i talk about like

814
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,000
the cleveland street scandal and i

815
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,000
talked a little bit about you know lewis

816
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,720
carroll charles lutwidge dodson better

817
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,480
known as lewis carroll the author of

818
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,039
alice's adventures in wonderland and uh

819
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:14,880
talk about jay and barry the author of

820
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,240
peter pan uh which sadly you know for

821
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,159
anybody who wasn't aware

822
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:22,399
sadly they are both most likely

823
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,360
pedophiles that really sucks you know

824
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:27,440
like literally one of my favorite

825
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:30,399
children's authors is lewis carroll and

826
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:31,360
you know

827
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:32,399
uh

828
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,200
yeah

829
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,000
there's no evidence that they physically

830
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:38,640
uh you know sexually abused any children

831
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,679
ever though they did you know it wasn't

832
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:44,399
even an odd thing at the time and and

833
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,120
you know the weird repressed victorian

834
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,080
era uh for whatever reason you you know

835
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:52,640
you couldn't show the legs on a chair

836
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:55,760
but having you know an 11 year old girl

837
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,679
nude and taking pictures of her from

838
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,360
every angle that was okay for some

839
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,840
reason but yeah i believe that this is

840
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,360
something that goes back further than

841
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,600
the cleveland uh street scandal i do

842
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:07,840
believe that um

843
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,240
you know uh i was talking to somebody

844
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,880
who shared with me uh the hunter s

845
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,120
thompson the the opening to

846
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,279
uh his collection of essays hey rube

847
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:19,679
where he's talking about how old

848
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:22,480
uh human sacrifice and child sacrifice

849
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,760
is and how it's there's always been a

850
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:27,679
lot of that that goes around

851
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,200
in autumn in winter months you know and

852
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,200
i think part of that probably goes back

853
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:35,440
to the idea that especially in the you

854
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,399
know the

855
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:38,720
uh the the northern hemisphere and the

856
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:41,840
western hemisphere you know uh when all

857
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,519
the trees died

858
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,440
people you know ancient people freaked

859
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,240
out and they were they were scared that

860
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:51,120
if they didn't do certain things um you

861
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,880
know the the lights would never come

862
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,480
back on the heat would never come back

863
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:56,720
on the trees wouldn't uh bear fruit

864
00:34:02,630 --> 00:33:59,840
anymore and you know uh all over the

865
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,640
world all these different cultures uh

866
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:04,880
would sometimes do human sacrifice

867
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,919
sometimes child sacrifice and a lot of

868
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:09,839
this stuff was done in secret in these

869
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:12,560
cult you know uh mystery religions or

870
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,079
cults and a lot of uh the you know

871
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,960
modern secret societies you know the the

872
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:21,040
whole of like

873
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:24,720
you know 16th to 20th and 21st century

874
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:27,679
secret societies is the story of a group

875
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,040
saying hey you know the original mystery

876
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,679
school or secret religion that was us

877
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:35,359
too you know and whether they're

878
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,320
actually connected they always have like

879
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,200
you know this this long uh you know kind

880
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,520
of uh you know

881
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:45,599
uh uh you know

882
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,800
history of you know their their pedigree

883
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:50,800
or whatever um

884
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,919
and and yeah whether or not they're um

885
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:55,679
you know just picking up elements and

886
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,160
and i think that in a lot of cases uh

887
00:35:02,790 --> 00:34:59,760
like a lot of people who are members of

888
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:02,800
the skull and bones or whatever um

889
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:05,680
like yeah i believe that it's tied to a

890
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,560
you know i guess a luciferian philosophy

891
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,000
which you know it's the same kind of

892
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:12,560
thing you get in some some of the upper

893
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:15,440
degrees of freemasonry uh but at the

894
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:16,720
same time

895
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,680
you know

896
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,520
i think that a lot of the people who are

897
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,440
members of these secret societies aren't

898
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:23,760
what you would call true believers

899
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:26,000
and then a lot of the true believers

900
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,960
aren't members of x y and z secret

901
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:30,480
society are cult

902
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,280
uh but yeah i do believe that there's

903
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,200
you know uh

904
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,440
some kind of you know

905
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:39,920
dark traditions that for whatever

906
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:45,839
reasons uh you know i i like the

907
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:48,320
fraternity hazing rituals you know

908
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,040
that's that's a form of trauma-based

909
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:53,280
mind control basically i mean that's

910
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,520
literally what it is like it's the same

911
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:56,960
kind of thing that goes on in basic

912
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:00,480
training you know you uh you you uh ha

913
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:04,640
ha you abuse and break down and rebuild

914
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,200
and re-sculpt the psyche that's the the

915
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,240
whole purpose of basic training and the

916
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:12,400
third degree of freemasonry

917
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:16,320
and you know uh the fraternity hazing uh

918
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,680
all of it is along the same lines uh and

919
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,680
and yeah i do believe that some of that

920
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,880
comes from

921
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,880
like uh i guess you could call it kind

922
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:26,960
of like an ancient technology write down

923
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:30,320
the you know uh and i i also think that

924
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:34,480
uh art and literature and a lot of times

925
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,359
even the genre stuff you know like uh

926
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,119
whether it's you know kurt vonnegut or

927
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,680
philip k dick or uh

928
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:44,880
you know

929
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,440
lovecraft i think a lot of times these

930
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,440
guys hoistman's you know i mentioned him

931
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:51,599
in the book uh i think a lot of times

932
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,400
these guys did kind of encode some

933
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,200
things into their fiction uh because

934
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:59,839
they couldn't speak plainly about it uh

935
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:01,599
and you know like lovecraft is

936
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:03,440
constantly talking about all these cults

937
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:05,920
and things uh what a lot of people don't

938
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,880
realize is that when lovecraft was

939
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,359
briefly married to sonja greene she was

940
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:13,920
part of the crowley circle she was an

941
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,440
acolyte you know so when when

942
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,599
when lovecraft is talking about there's

943
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,079
these crazy people and they want to

944
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,480
bring monsters through a hole in the

945
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,240
universe like

946
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:28,800
that sounds crazy but that's kind of

947
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:29,599
what

948
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:32,000
crowley was doing when he was going to

949
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,640
giza in the middle of the night in egypt

950
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,440
and like which once again

951
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,520
uh you know i don't think it's a

952
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:42,000
coincidence that it's some of these old

953
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:43,839
money families who were tied to some of

954
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:47,359
these secret societies who funded sri

955
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,320
and their field trip to giza you know

956
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:52,320
when when they were doing the the remote

957
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,480
viewing stuff that they also you know uh

958
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:58,560
did you know did some

959
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,839
kind of

960
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,320
i i don't know i i don't think ritual is

961
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:04,880
the type the right type of word even

962
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,760
though

963
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:07,920
like everything i've heard about like

964
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,000
remote viewing and that's a subject i've

965
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,480
been somewhat interested in for

966
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:14,560
you know a couple of decades now a

967
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,800
little over a couple of decades now

968
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:17,760
um

969
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,560
it's it's a protocol but what's a

970
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,119
protocol other than a ritual of sorts

971
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,599
you know a ritual when people when you

972
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:27,920
hear ritual you think you know a cult

973
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:30,880
ritual or a religious ritual but no i

974
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,079
mean like you know uh i have a ritual of

975
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:36,160
having a cup of coffee after i wake up

976
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,680
in the morning it's it's something that

977
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,680
i always do it's something that gets me

978
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,000
into a space of mine it's something that

979
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:44,880
that if i don't do it i'll feel off you

980
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,599
know so yeah i do believe that you know

981
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,760
some of the the the the rights of

982
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:51,839
elusive for instance the dionysian

983
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:54,640
rights which are tied with the birth of

984
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:55,680
you know

985
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,200
like

986
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:01,680
talk about psyops the the greek

987
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:05,119
festivals of of dionysus and elusis were

988
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:08,720
were grand uh public spectacles and in

989
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:12,000
essence uh a for messiah i don't know i

990
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:13,760
don't know if psyops the right word for

991
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,160
it because like i think

992
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,720
you know uh what whether that was what

993
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:20,640
always occurred or not i think that it

994
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,640
was meant as a kind of a positive thing

995
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,119
uh and for social cohesion and all this

996
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:29,440
kind of thing but at the same time like

997
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,960
that's that's what they're doing at

998
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:32,960
bohemian grove too that's what they tell

999
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,440
themselves to sleep at night too so you

1000
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,280
know i don't know but yeah i definitely

1001
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:39,359
believe that uh like you said there's

1002
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:42,480
there's definitely a layer belong beyond

1003
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:45,440
politics when you mention psychology you

1004
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,040
know uh you you and cameron for instance

1005
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,160
you know uh i mentioned him in the mk

1006
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:53,920
ultra chapter the guy that did the

1007
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:56,800
psychic driving experiments and you know

1008
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:57,680
the

1009
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:01,119
as as recently as a couple of years ago

1010
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:02,480
there are still

1011
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,760
you know they're having to sue the

1012
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:06,240
institutions now you know the

1013
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,839
uh the the hospitals and the uh and the

1014
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:12,079
universities uh but there are still

1015
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,520
class action lawsuits going on uh based

1016
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,680
on the the victims of you and cameron

1017
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,520
who went on to become the head of the

1018
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,520
world psychiatric association the

1019
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:23,760
american psychiatric association the

1020
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:26,480
canadian psychiatric association you

1021
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,680
know you mentioned the false memory

1022
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:30,160
syndrome foundation elizabeth loftus's

1023
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,040
name comes up in the hoffman report

1024
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:35,839
which is related to the role that you

1025
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,079
know some psychologists played and

1026
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,400
potential ethical violations in

1027
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,520
guantanamo bay um

1028
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:45,599
so you know

1029
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,200
and i do believe that on some level uh a

1030
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,520
lot of this stuff it really is you know

1031
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,280
it's like a web it is kind of all

1032
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:55,839
connected you got to be careful when you

1033
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,720
connect the dots though because i think

1034
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,400
that a lot

1035
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:01,839
um you know this is something we were

1036
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:04,079
talking about too uh in correspondence i

1037
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:05,760
think i think there's

1038
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,319
sometimes uh you know i think that

1039
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:10,960
there's bad info put out there by

1040
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:13,520
certain actors uh you know whether

1041
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:14,319
they're

1042
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,119
witting or unwitting you know useful

1043
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,040
idiots or paid dis info agents or

1044
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:21,520
whatever um you know i think you got to

1045
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:24,880
be really careful um

1046
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:27,839
what you what you spread you know like

1047
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,200
as for me i'm a bottom feeder like start

1048
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:33,599
with with the most far out conspiracy

1049
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,480
stuff

1050
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,240
because that's where i'll find something

1051
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,800
new keep checking it check it check it

1052
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,319
against other sources see what kind of

1053
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:42,960
corroboration you can get but for me

1054
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,760
yeah i try and be like uh really careful

1055
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,680
because you know

1056
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,520
like especially when it comes to stuff

1057
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,400
like institutional child abuse organized

1058
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:55,200
child abuse uh

1059
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:56,960
these rings like with the whether it's

1060
00:42:03,190 --> 00:41:59,920
the cleveland street or franklin credit

1061
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:03,200
union and in boys town in omaha or

1062
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:06,480
epstein you know it's the same it's the

1063
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,359
same rubric over and over and over again

1064
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,040
yeah there's like a million points to

1065
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,520
jump off on their mk ultra and for

1066
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:15,119
people who don't know

1067
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,560
you're just going to have to jump in

1068
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:18,000
there cameron

1069
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,200
interesting

1070
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,280
in all the ways that you said you know

1071
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,920
canadian canada's mengele you know is

1072
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:25,200
what they say

1073
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,760
just like gottlieb is godly bizarre

1074
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:29,040
mengele but

1075
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,000
yep as you've documented that you know

1076
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:34,160
the kinds of experiments that they were

1077
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:38,240
doing on people are more than just the

1078
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,319
what's become the kind of cartoon tropo

1079
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:45,119
they gave them lsd at a party when they

1080
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:48,800
didn't know about it oh they were so bad

1081
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,760
no man they were chaining kids down in

1082
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,000
beds and not letting them and

1083
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,800
sensory deprivation stuff and you know

1084
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:58,800
you're not allowed to admit yeah exactly

1085
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,920
yeah uh breaking people and breaking

1086
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,680
people and intentionally bringing the

1087
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,440
enormous amount of people who would

1088
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:07,920
become famous later and whether it's

1089
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:10,720
guys like ken keezy and leonard cohen or

1090
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:13,760
whether it's guys like charles manson

1091
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:16,640
and ted kaczynski because all of them

1092
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:20,240
famously had close ties with at least

1093
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,119
you know

1094
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:23,760
some element of mk in in the case of

1095
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:26,720
charles manson we can't directly tie him

1096
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:29,599
but i do believe like we know that he

1097
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:32,400
and the family uh hung out in haiti

1098
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:35,680
ashbury we know that dr morris jolly and

1099
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:38,640
west also had the the free clinic at

1100
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,480
haight ashbury um you know i i i

1101
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:44,880
recently got some uh papers released

1102
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:47,200
from the the library special collections

1103
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:50,800
at ucla on dr jolly by the way uh in one

1104
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:53,359
of them it's the the cult awareness

1105
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,000
network um folder one of the cult

1106
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,560
awareness network folders that i got and

1107
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,480
uh you know it's a fundraising letter

1108
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,240
and dr jolly says something along the

1109
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,400
lines of oh i've worked for years with

1110
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:06,720
the counterculture and civil rights

1111
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:09,920
movement oh really dr jolly let's hear

1112
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,319
about your work with the counter culture

1113
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,480
and civil rights i would love to hear

1114
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,720
your work with the counterculture in the

1115
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:19,040
civil rights movement

1116
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,560
so i don't think we can leave that

1117
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,240
without you telling a little bit of the

1118
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:23,920
story behind

1119
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:26,560
dr jolly because it's just critical

1120
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,480
information if people don't know it but

1121
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,040
let's keep it short because i also want

1122
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:33,760
you to i also want you to tell the story

1123
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:36,480
if people don't know it about the cult

1124
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:40,160
awareness network oh right that's such

1125
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,440
that was what that was one of the

1126
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,119
coolest things about this folder but

1127
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,000
yeah so dr jolly uh you know brief

1128
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:48,480
thumbnail sketch um

1129
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:51,040
this is a guy that always shows up you

1130
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:54,160
know whether uh jack ruby uh

1131
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:55,680
is is

1132
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,760
like before he dies of cancer he starts

1133
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:59,359
talking about how people are giving him

1134
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:01,119
strange injections and he thinks they're

1135
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,960
trying to kill him and then he talks to

1136
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:05,040
dr jolly and he's cured of those

1137
00:45:10,990 --> 00:45:08,240
delusions just like a psychiatrist right

1138
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:11,000
trained trained psychiatrist cla

1139
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:14,800
neuropsychiatrist ucla like once again

1140
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:17,359
you know he's he's got the credentials

1141
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:20,240
just like dr cameron and and i think in

1142
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:22,000
a lot of these cases they're propped up

1143
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,440
by the cia and and these families that

1144
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:27,920
the cia does does a lot of the bidding

1145
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,319
of you know whether it's the uh you know

1146
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,000
the macy's and the melons and the

1147
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:34,079
rockefellers and it's all these families

1148
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:35,839
and these foundations over and over and

1149
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:38,960
over again but yeah dr jolly shows up uh

1150
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,319
with jack ruby and mcvay and uh charles

1151
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:44,640
manson just over and over and over again

1152
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:47,760
uh uh also in multiple cases uh during

1153
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:51,359
the satanic panic of uh you know of

1154
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:53,920
child abuse daycare scandals that were

1155
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,319
uh you know the the media then

1156
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,079
started calling all that stuff you know

1157
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,640
a moral panic and that it was all just

1158
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:02,000
so they're going to have to go off and

1159
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,280
read the rest of yourself and listen to

1160
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,880
your stuff to find out more about jolly

1161
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,800
but yeah like if you can't if you can't

1162
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:09,359
pick up the trail now if you're like no

1163
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,440
give me more forget it you're lost

1164
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:13,119
you'll never get through this stuff for

1165
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,680
real that is a huge thing we're going to

1166
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,599
talk about it but i think what i just

1167
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:19,760
said fits into the cult awareness

1168
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,280
network what's the cult awareness yeah

1169
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,599
yeah the the cult awareness network

1170
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:25,040
started out

1171
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,800
it was uh

1172
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:29,119
basically sort of uh

1173
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:31,599
you know i don't know uh a cross between

1174
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:34,480
like a think tank and a lobbyist group

1175
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:37,599
and also an activist group uh and a

1176
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:39,520
non-profit charity right

1177
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,319
uh

1178
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,400
but it also had as member

1179
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,200
uh dr morris jolly and wes who also

1180
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,599
jonesboro you know like when jonesboro

1181
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:49,760
happened he was called up there like you

1182
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:52,560
know he'd he'd been called in

1183
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:55,200
uh on multiple cases regarding colts

1184
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,800
that was one of his specialties

1185
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:58,960
apparently um

1186
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:01,520
and you know what

1187
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,480
uh

1188
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,880
the cult awareness network but who comes

1189
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,800
to who comes to own

1190
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,119
the cult awareness network

1191
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,200
the folder i've got it like starts

1192
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,200
around 1992

1193
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,319
so it's like right around the takeover

1194
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,240
the scientologists

1195
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:20,160
scientologists they had all these like

1196
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,359
you know multiple lawsuits you know it's

1197
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:24,880
the same kind of thing that they did to

1198
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,319
the irs

1199
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:28,160
uh where they literally had people

1200
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:31,119
infiltrating their offices and stealing

1201
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,240
things and you know pretending to be a

1202
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,400
member of the group and then saying

1203
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,400
things to make them look bad and like

1204
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:40,079
but by the way

1205
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:43,760
that's classic cia tactics you know like

1206
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:46,400
classic cia just to make sure we don't

1207
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,079
bury the lead here phil the cult

1208
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:50,480
awareness network is somewhat of an

1209
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,440
organic genuine organization that is a

1210
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,800
call center if you will people are

1211
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,960
calling in and saying oh my gosh i think

1212
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,559
i'm in a cult what should i do and

1213
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:00,559
they're giving good information out

1214
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,960
and then all of a sudden and it turns

1215
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,559
right it turns out a lot of people who

1216
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:07,040
are calling in are saying hey the cult

1217
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:08,720
that i'm involved with are these

1218
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,079
scientologists so what happens is the

1219
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:14,559
scientologists buy the cult awareness

1220
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,520
network

1221
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:17,119
they buy the phone numbers they buy the

1222
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,359
phone bank and now the calls come in and

1223
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:22,079
they're answering and they go uh-huh uh

1224
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:23,839
tell me about your problem and then it's

1225
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:24,720
like

1226
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,880
now they're routed back into

1227
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:31,359
the you know the the machine of the

1228
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:32,400
thing so

1229
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:35,359
and as you said this infiltrate co-op is

1230
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,240
like

1231
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:38,559
playbook you know blocking and tackling

1232
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,760
for the cia i didn't know that then

1233
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,839
jolly was one of he was probably then

1234
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:45,760
one of the earliest

1235
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:48,400
infiltrators huh that was kind of scenic

1236
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:52,000
i think so maybe yeah and and i don't

1237
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,800
know

1238
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,640
if scientology

1239
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,800
uh you know i i

1240
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:58,480
one of the few things that i agree with

1241
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,280
scientology uh about l ron hubbard's

1242
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,119
history i do believe that he probably

1243
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,079
worked with intel a bit i i believe that

1244
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,319
he had some involvement with intel

1245
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,400
because there are too many like like i

1246
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:12,880
said this this is oss

1247
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:16,960
and early cia 50s and 60s uh cold war

1248
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:20,960
shenanigans style uh shakedown like just

1249
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:24,319
every every bit of it is it it sounds

1250
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:25,280
like

1251
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,599
you know i know because i read these

1252
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:31,760
declassified documents they weren't

1253
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,520
declassified in 1952 to 56 when

1254
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:37,440
scientology and dianetics are being

1255
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,960
formed and founded you know like they're

1256
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:42,720
they just the i don't know if it's

1257
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:45,440
parallel construction or what but yeah i

1258
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,079
do believe that scientology may have

1259
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,319
started out as uh

1260
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:53,200
and you know not just scientology but uh

1261
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:56,640
dr ruth wangeran uh uh also thinks the

1262
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:59,440
children of god might be the cia the

1263
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,480
baha'i

1264
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:02,559
uh you know the iranians think that the

1265
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,200
baha'i are infiltrated with uh with

1266
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,920
c.i.a uh you know and the the thing

1267
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:10,000
about religion you know and religious

1268
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:10,960
freedom

1269
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:14,000
uh is it's kind of a double-edged sword

1270
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,800
there that you know as soon as you

1271
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,960
you know uh have this agreement to well

1272
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,720
yeah yeah we should allow people their

1273
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,200
religious freedom and expression and

1274
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:25,040
then scientology comes along and it's

1275
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:27,040
like well i'm not a religion but i'm

1276
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,200
going to say that i am so that i get all

1277
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,200
the benefits of religion which include

1278
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,520
you know stuff like secrecy and

1279
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:36,079
different levels and hierarchy and not

1280
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,000
questioning the people at the top of the

1281
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:40,640
pyramid and all this kind of uh stuff

1282
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,520
that is very you know kind of cultic we

1283
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,440
have all these different levels

1284
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,520
that are like bracketed realities and we

1285
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,359
have to kind of jump between one and the

1286
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:52,240
next in my opinion but take elrond

1287
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,880
hubbard the only way to el to understand

1288
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:57,040
elrond hubbard in my opinion and first

1289
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,599
and foremost is a kind of grifter kind

1290
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:01,599
of guy i mean he's

1291
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,240
he's a scammer and he's very good at it

1292
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,079
and he's good at scamming people's money

1293
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:08,079
and he's moves in with jack parsons and

1294
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,440
the next thing you know he's [\h__\h]

1295
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:11,119
jack parsons girlfriend

1296
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,190
give him his money and hey would you

1297
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,280
also now that i've got your girl would

1298
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:21,680
you also give me your money invest in a

1299
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:25,040
business give me some votes and stuff

1300
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:28,240
you know that's a great story sure ron

1301
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:31,520
sure whatever you say ron yeah and and

1302
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:33,440
you know so anyone who wants to reflect

1303
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:34,400
on that

1304
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,359
can say i know people like that i know

1305
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,520
people in both sense if whether you're

1306
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,760
the one being victimized or whether

1307
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,040
unfortunately you're the one who

1308
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,880
victimizes other people you know people

1309
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,280
who can con people and the con doesn't

1310
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,680
stop like you're saying with with elrond

1311
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,280
you know he not only gets the girl then

1312
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:53,440
he says yeah you know this strange boat

1313
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:56,240
deal like uh we're gonna go to miami and

1314
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,920
buy a boat and then sail it back here to

1315
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,520
california and we'll make a lot of money

1316
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:01,920
and we'll split it all we need you to do

1317
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:04,800
is put up all the money and give us a

1318
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:07,280
free boat to get the other boat with

1319
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,720
like what

1320
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,119
so that's and that's literally after

1321
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:13,520
but this is with marjorie marjorie

1322
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:16,960
cameron the his ex like he's already

1323
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,240
like uh exactly also the bit straight

1324
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:23,040
out of the like tom sawyer like i almost

1325
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,400
have to respect elrond occasionally

1326
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:28,880
because he comes from that like larger

1327
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:31,119
than life pt barnum

1328
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:32,960
uh huckster tradition that's so

1329
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:35,520
quintessentially american you know

1330
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,839
what's more american than p.t barnum

1331
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:39,920
like you know what i'm gonna take a

1332
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:42,480
bunch of rubes for their money uh you

1333
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:46,960
know sadly uh you know it it it is it

1334
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:49,760
was and is an awful coercive cult but at

1335
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,079
the same time i can't help but like some

1336
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:54,880
of these stories it's just so it's so

1337
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:56,960
insane that like you know uh they were

1338
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,599
gonna do a sex ritual out in the desert

1339
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,599
and they did i think this is how he

1340
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:03,839
stole his girlfriend i think because

1341
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:06,319
like initially jack parsons was going to

1342
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:07,760
have sex with his girlfriend he's like

1343
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,760
wait jack

1344
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,520
baby

1345
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,920
i don't have sex with your girlfriend

1346
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:15,760
and you could be the one who's like

1347
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:18,720
watching us and saying the stuff you

1348
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:20,800
could be reciting stuff

1349
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,319
while i'm having sex with your

1350
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:24,480
girlfriend who we will later embezzle

1351
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,559
from you and have you start a business

1352
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:29,280
so that we can steal you like it's crazy

1353
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:32,000
yeah like uh it's

1354
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:32,960
i mean

1355
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:35,599
you know i i don't know it's it's just

1356
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,640
it's mind-blowing levels of uh you know

1357
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:42,960
that's mind control by the way you know

1358
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,920
people well well it is mind control is

1359
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,839
like creating a perfect zombie or

1360
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,839
something like that there's like you

1361
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,599
said with different levels there's so

1362
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,240
many different you know advertising and

1363
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:56,880
pr are methods of mind control for that

1364
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,760
matter

1365
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,880
yeah well

1366
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:01,440
all communication is you know methods of

1367
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:03,440
mind control all hypno we're all being

1368
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,880
hypnotized by ourselves but we're being

1369
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,400
hypnotized and influenced by other

1370
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:10,400
people but i don't want to go down that

1371
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:13,280
track that hole too far because you you

1372
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,480
kind of threw some other stuff on the

1373
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,720
table you actually jump to the next

1374
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:18,720
bracketed reality beyond that which is

1375
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:21,599
the spiritual so when he does go out and

1376
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:23,599
perform these rights and rituals under

1377
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,760
the direction of crowley right because

1378
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,000
crowley is in communication with jack

1379
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,000
parsons jack parsons reaches out to

1380
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,240
crowley and says i'm your number one guy

1381
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,720
i want to be your number one agent in

1382
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:36,319
and you know

1383
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,319
uh crowley from all accounts has a

1384
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:40,960
little bit of that huckster in him too

1385
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,839
absolutely yeah and he loved jack

1386
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,240
apparently i think that the that

1387
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:48,240
relationship ruined it

1388
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:51,119
uh because when he saw he's like no no

1389
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:54,160
no that's what you do to the other guy

1390
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:55,200
you don't

1391
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:00,319
the other guy to believe and you take

1392
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,280
his girlfriend and his money and his

1393
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:05,359
boat and that's

1394
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:06,880
that's the trick

1395
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:09,760
like and then you say abracadabra and

1396
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:12,960
you know or our rarita or whatever uh

1397
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,440
and and call it a day i really do

1398
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:17,920
believe that like because you know uh

1399
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:20,720
the the spiral house is a book sex and

1400
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,280
rockets you know and it's it got some of

1401
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,280
the some of the letters back and forth

1402
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,280
and it's really kind of sad it's really

1403
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,359
kind of sad and pathetic honestly

1404
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,520
because you can see like crowley gets

1405
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:33,680
more and more upset he's like

1406
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,160
this guy is a con artist and he is

1407
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:38,160
conning you you know and this is

1408
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,240
somebody who yeah may have been the head

1409
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:42,319
of the astro magic

1410
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,240
argentium or ordo temple orientis if

1411
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,240
he had not embarrassed himself in front

1412
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:50,799
of his guru you know like that that

1413
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,359
ruined it that that that i think that

1414
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,440
like really drove a wedge between the

1415
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:57,359
crowley and parsons relationship

1416
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:59,920
honestly because it you know it it's got

1417
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:02,079
to be kind of like disheartening to see

1418
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:03,200
like you know

1419
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:04,160
like

1420
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:09,119
oh no he's got no common sense though

1421
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:13,920
he's gotten zero common sense yeah

1422
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:16,160
so but we're kind of dancing around this

1423
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:17,680
other aspect to it well there's two

1424
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,480
other aspects to it one uh is the cia

1425
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:22,400
kind of big game

1426
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:24,559
stuff somebody's got to run the rule

1427
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:26,799
world and it ought to be us and

1428
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:28,480
his connections lron hubbard's

1429
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,799
connections there are undeniable as you

1430
00:56:34,349 --> 00:56:33,040
said and he kind of wraps himself in

1431
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:34,359
this kind of

1432
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,160
quasi-military

1433
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,240
amazing kind of stuff and we can get

1434
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,160
into all that but then the other part

1435
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:41,839
that i keep kind of dancing around i

1436
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:44,720
can't pin down is i and you're not

1437
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,160
saying this but i think it's a misstep

1438
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,400
that a lot of people take to say oh okay

1439
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,720
then it's all fake no that doesn't mean

1440
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:52,160
that it's fake it doesn't mean that they

1441
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:55,440
were not attempting to or successfully

1442
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:56,960
connecting with

1443
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:58,880
spirits for lack of a better term in

1444
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,280
this extended realm that are becoming

1445
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:03,760
their partners in engaging in this and

1446
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,400
have some ability to influence

1447
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,640
world events and things down here or

1448
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,559
definitely to influence people they're

1449
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,040
calling the star child or moon child or

1450
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,359
whatever out in the desert and this is

1451
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:17,119
the same desert right around where

1452
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:20,240
they're testing the the atomic bomb you

1453
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:23,440
know uh and it's also the same little

1454
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:26,480
spot of land where over the next like

1455
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:29,359
five years the majority of the

1456
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:32,400
uh you know ufo sightings would be right

1457
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,599
in this same

1458
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:35,119
let's not go there because i i don't

1459
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:37,119
think you got the ufo thing right i

1460
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:38,880
don't think you've you put all the the

1461
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:41,440
pieces on the on the table i mean if we

1462
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,359
want to jump there now we can but i kind

1463
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:44,960
of think we got to finish

1464
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,480
the uh stargate thing because

1465
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,799
what happens here is super interesting

1466
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:52,960
and uh gosh

1467
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,520
like the reason i bring up immediately

1468
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,599
stargate just so people understand this

1469
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:58,960
you know all this stuff backwards and

1470
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:01,599
forwards i'm not telling you but l ron

1471
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:05,760
hubbard has start scientology so he

1472
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:09,040
whatever blend it is of

1473
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,480
this kind of satanic spiritual occulted

1474
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:14,400
real connection with these extended

1475
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,680
realms

1476
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:17,920
and also his kind of pragmatic

1477
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,359
hucksterism good old american

1478
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:21,599
hooksterism how can i rip everyone off

1479
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:24,400
he starts scientology and lo and behold

1480
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,000
because there is this military

1481
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:27,760
connection as you described military

1482
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:30,720
intelligence is hey whatever works you

1483
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:32,079
know what i mean you want to call it

1484
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,400
satan you want to go live we don't care

1485
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,400
we just want to conquer that hill and to

1486
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,559
a certain extent that has to always be

1487
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,720
the job of

1488
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:42,880
the military and in a way that we don't

1489
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,240
understand because you're not inside

1490
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:46,400
that culture but what they'll tell you

1491
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:48,079
is hey we've been through this for

1492
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,599
thousands of years and i'll tell you at

1493
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,359
the end of the day phil

1494
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,200
when it's me defending you you don't

1495
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,520
give a [\h__\h] whether i think i whether i

1496
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:58,319
have satan tattooed on my back or not

1497
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:59,440
you just want me to keep those

1498
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,799
[\h__\h] from coming through your

1499
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,040
front door and i know that and i'd live

1500
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:04,960
that over and over again so don't tell

1501
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:06,960
me how all moralistic and christian you

1502
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:08,960
are because i know at the end of the day

1503
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:11,119
it's about protection and it's about

1504
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,000
keeping

1505
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:14,240
the bad guys from coming over that hill

1506
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:16,960
military has that ingrained in them at a

1507
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:19,280
kind of core level that we don't get

1508
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:21,119
because we haven't been in the military

1509
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,240
but

1510
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,079
military intelligence then takes that

1511
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,480
and extends that and says oh okay that

1512
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:29,040
means i can do whatever i want because

1513
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:30,319
at the end of the day i have the

1514
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:32,960
ultimate trump card so l ron hubbard is

1515
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:34,880
connected with that and that l ron

1516
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,240
hubbard gets connected with this sri

1517
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,559
remote viewing project

1518
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:42,319
in

1519
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,079
university and these two laser

1520
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:50,799
physicists who the laser part of it is

1521
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:52,720
kind of interesting probably has an et

1522
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,280
connection there but

1523
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,839
they all these guys not all of them but

1524
01:00:01,510 --> 01:00:00,240
a lot of these guys that are doing sri

1525
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,520
are in

1526
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:03,359
scientology

1527
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,160
three guys yeah uh you know pat price

1528
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:08,480
ingo swann uh

1529
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,240
oh i'm blanking on the third name but

1530
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:12,799
like the top three got the top three

1531
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,000
guys and in fact uh after pat died i

1532
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:18,640
guess i believe it was just like the the

1533
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,480
two guys were the core

1534
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:22,640
of like they were they were running the

1535
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:25,920
lab at sri the crazy thing about well

1536
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,359
well hal put off how put off is uh yeah

1537
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:31,280
right yeah yeah yeah

1538
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:33,599
uh the crazy part about this this is

1539
01:00:39,190 --> 01:00:36,480
around like okay 1978

1540
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:39,200
the fort meade maryland and the defense

1541
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:42,400
intelligence agency picks up stargate as

1542
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,400
like a military project

1543
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,200
and this is around the same time that

1544
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:49,680
operation snow white is going on

1545
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:53,520
where scientologists have infiltrated uh

1546
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,960
the irs

1547
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:57,119
and law firms

1548
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,319
and like all these various you know

1549
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:01,920
levels of government

1550
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:05,119
and they're leaking documents you know

1551
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,359
apparently i think it was john attack

1552
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:09,680
who wrote that uh the the reason why

1553
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:12,079
they were leaking the documents was

1554
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:14,799
in mainly just to cover their tracks

1555
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:17,280
because if they just stole scientology

1556
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:18,799
documents then it would be easy to

1557
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:21,520
figure out who stole who's stealing the

1558
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:24,480
irs documents about scientology's tax

1559
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,200
debt you know the scientology is no but

1560
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:29,359
if you steal like you know all this

1561
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,359
interesting stuff and link some of it to

1562
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:33,920
the press and you know meanwhile you're

1563
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:37,200
also like in in the senator's office or

1564
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:39,440
you're a janitor cleaning up

1565
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:42,880
at the irs set like literally there were

1566
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:45,839
it was the largest domestic spying

1567
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,319
operation in the united states that we

1568
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:50,480
know of and around the same time as

1569
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:52,960
that's going on scientologists are

1570
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:56,640
running the cia lab at sri lanka i don't

1571
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:58,079
think that's

1572
01:02:01,270 --> 01:01:59,680
like you said and this is like a whole

1573
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,280
point we could get off on and about

1574
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:03,359
being careful about connecting the dots

1575
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:04,880
because there's a lot of different ways

1576
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:06,400
to connect the dots and sometimes they

1577
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:08,000
come up with different

1578
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:09,839
images once you connect them and

1579
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:12,880
moreover the connecting the dots

1580
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:14,960
involves people and people are

1581
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:17,359
complicated so here's a guy recently

1582
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:19,119
interviewed and i really enjoyed uh

1583
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:20,880
talking with him nick cook

1584
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:21,760
so

1585
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:24,559
nick cook just wrote a biography about

1586
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:28,000
ingo swan and he met ingoswan on several

1587
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:29,839
occasions and he also has close

1588
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:32,240
connection with the family well if you

1589
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:36,079
look at ingo swan and who he is it puts

1590
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:39,200
a different spin on this whole story

1591
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,400
ingo swan is psychic he's psychic as

1592
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:44,640
hell he's like one of the greatest

1593
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:47,119
psychics in the united states and he's

1594
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:48,559
going on tv

1595
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,000
on like the old tv uh reality shows game

1596
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:54,000
shows like what's my line and he can

1597
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:56,319
read people's mind and this is who he is

1598
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:58,319
and who he does and he's also an artist

1599
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,920
he's incredible artist and he lives in

1600
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:01,440
new york city

1601
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:05,039
he is recruited by sri because of his

1602
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:07,359
psychic abilities and sometimes people

1603
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:09,280
get this wrong and they think well what

1604
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:10,880
is remote viewing and they're using

1605
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:12,480
ouija boards and i heard you on opera

1606
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:15,280
man i love ed operman but he's a you

1607
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:16,480
know

1608
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:18,559
tent revival christian kind of that's

1609
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:19,599
his

1610
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:24,400
ouija boards and ouija boards what about

1611
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:25,680
ouija board

1612
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:29,440
ability to connect with this extended

1613
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,680
realm in some way well start nailing

1614
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:33,680
down what that means what that extended

1615
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:36,000
realm is who is in that extended room

1616
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:38,000
how are they interacting just don't

1617
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,520
paint it with this sunday school

1618
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:41,680
christianity oh they're state and then

1619
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:44,640
there's jesus and jesus loves me all

1620
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:47,039
you just got to start with terraformer

1621
01:03:49,829 --> 01:03:48,640
you got to go all the way down and get

1622
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:49,839
to the ground and we don't know what

1623
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:52,160
that is back to ingo swan

1624
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:54,880
ingo swan is psychic

1625
01:04:01,589 --> 01:03:58,079
i don't know why some people are psychic

1626
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:01,599
but some people are just gifted in that

1627
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,039
way they can read minds they can remote

1628
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:07,280
view things they don't call it remote

1629
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:09,680
viewing but they can see things that

1630
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:13,200
aren't in their immediate view the cia

1631
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:14,960
backed what we're saying be the being

1632
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,039
the cia says

1633
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:19,200
need to talk to that guy

1634
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:22,960
so they bring ingo swan out and they

1635
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:23,839
say

1636
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,559
here's what we want to do

1637
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:28,640
the russians got this submarine base

1638
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:30,160
over there

1639
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:31,839
do you think you could like see that

1640
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:35,200
submarine base from here in palo alto

1641
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:37,200
[\h__\h] says well

1642
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:39,200
let me give it a try they go wait wait

1643
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:40,799
wait wait okay you think you might be

1644
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:42,079
able to do it i'll tell you what before

1645
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:43,760
you give it a try

1646
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:45,599
right down the road here

1647
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:48,160
we got this super secret

1648
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:50,799
livermore labs this super secret thing

1649
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:52,480
buried we're not going to tell you what

1650
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:54,640
it is but it's buried in six feet of

1651
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:56,559
cement and inside that six feet of

1652
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:59,039
cement is a faraday cage inside that

1653
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:00,880
furniture cage is something else and no

1654
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:02,799
one can do it and

1655
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:04,720
can you get in there can you see it can

1656
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:05,599
you

1657
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:08,319
and ingo swan says yeah i can see it as

1658
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:10,640
a matter of fact i i can see it and i

1659
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:12,079
can stop it

1660
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:15,119
i can stop your little clock in there

1661
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:17,359
and he does it

1662
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:20,160
and they're super excited but they're

1663
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:23,280
[\h__\h] freaked out as well

1664
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:25,280
because now we're talking about this

1665
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:27,440
extended realm and this extended realm

1666
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:29,440
it's outside of our space and time and

1667
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:31,520
it kind of blows the water out of all

1668
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:34,240
the crap that we do about building all

1669
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:38,240
that stuff so that's who ingo swan is

1670
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:41,200
and now they say oh okay now back to

1671
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:43,440
that russian submarine thing i tell you

1672
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:45,839
what do you think you could train other

1673
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:48,000
people to do what you do

1674
01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:49,839
he says yeah i could i mean everybody

1675
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:51,359
has a little bit of this gift and here's

1676
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:54,480
that do it and he develops

1677
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:57,359
a training class a protocol

1678
01:06:02,549 --> 01:05:59,760
and that's what becomes

1679
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:02,559
remote viewing so to read that story

1680
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:04,960
differently i mean i'm open to that's my

1681
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:06,799
interpretation of the story of course

1682
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:07,680
but

1683
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:09,520
if you're going to change that story

1684
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:11,680
tell me the the the factual pieces that

1685
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:12,960
change that story that's what i love

1686
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:14,319
about your work i mean you have the

1687
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:16,400
factual pieces there and you're laying

1688
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:18,559
down the story and i'm going to add one

1689
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:20,880
other part to that in this kind of

1690
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:23,200
sharing that we're doing here

1691
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:24,960
the other super interesting guy in that

1692
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:26,000
to me

1693
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:28,640
is and i'm i've told this story before

1694
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:30,079
on the show so it might get boring to

1695
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:33,200
some people but is uh joe mcmonicle

1696
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:35,119
and and you've heard of geo mcmonica oh

1697
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:38,480
yeah psychic spy number zero zero one

1698
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:40,880
but what a lot of people don't know

1699
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,000
about joe mcmonicle is

1700
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:46,400
the reason he comes to sri is because he

1701
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:49,280
has a near-death experience and the

1702
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,359
reason he has a near-death experience is

1703
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:53,520
because he's a [\h__\h] spy

1704
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:56,240
he's on our side he's working on the

1705
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,319
border of east germany and west germany

1706
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,400
and as he tells a story on my show i

1707
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,400
interviewed him he's in a restaurant

1708
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:04,400
that is kind of a known hangout for

1709
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:06,559
spies this is like right out of a movie

1710
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:08,400
or something but

1711
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:10,400
this is how he tells it he's having

1712
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:12,240
lunch dinner whatever

1713
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:15,359
and he starts grabbing his throat

1714
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:18,799
just like in a movie he's being poisoned

1715
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:20,799
he immediately tries to leave out leave

1716
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:22,960
the restaurant he staggers and falls a

1717
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:24,559
couple of his intelligence buddies come

1718
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:26,960
and grab him and they put him in a jeep

1719
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:29,680
at this point mcmonicle dies

1720
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:31,280
if you don't know about near-death

1721
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:33,039
experience science you might go well he

1722
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:35,200
didn't die because he came back no he

1723
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:37,760
died that's what we call it that's what

1724
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:39,440
medicine calls it

1725
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:41,599
after your heart stops beating for a

1726
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:43,520
couple minutes and there's no blood to

1727
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,160
your brain we call that death and we

1728
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:48,720
might hypothesize about how that's not

1729
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:50,240
really death but then that raises a

1730
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:51,839
bunch of questions about what is this

1731
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:54,640
extended realm in our realm that is

1732
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:56,480
death that's we've always called it to

1733
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:59,039
be death joe now though back to our

1734
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:00,400
story

1735
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:02,720
is outside of his body

1736
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:06,480
looking down at the jeep as it drives

1737
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:09,119
frantically through the east german west

1738
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:11,599
german border trying to find a hospital

1739
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:13,119
and they call ahead and they get an

1740
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:14,559
ambulance and they transfer them to an

1741
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:16,880
ambulance and he gets in the hospital

1742
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:19,520
and they're able to save him

1743
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:21,120
joe mcmonicle

1744
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:23,920
wakes from his and he has i should say

1745
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:27,359
not only this ability to see outside of

1746
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:28,799
his body but he has a near-death

1747
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:31,199
experience he goes and he encounters the

1748
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:33,440
divine he encounters the greater

1749
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,000
consciousness that doesn't care about

1750
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:39,199
this game and all this nonsense he's

1751
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,400
relieved from all that and isn't in the

1752
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,799
infinite love realm that so many

1753
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:47,120
near-death experiences talk about he

1754
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:50,080
meets god for lack of a better term but

1755
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:52,560
when he awakens back in this realm the

1756
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,560
first thing he sees

1757
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:56,480
are two military intelligence officers

1758
01:09:00,870 --> 01:08:58,400
that said hey buddy what the hell what's

1759
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:00,880
going on dude right in his face they

1760
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:03,920
want to quote unquote debrief him on

1761
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,199
what happened both his poisoning and you

1762
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:09,359
know everything else and he tells him he

1763
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:10,640
tells him about being outside of his

1764
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:12,159
body and he tells him all the rest that

1765
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:13,120
stuff

1766
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:14,400
and then

1767
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:17,440
he goes on with his military career

1768
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:21,440
until he shows up at sri because he's

1769
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:24,159
ordered to go and check these guys out

1770
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:26,159
and lo and behold i don't know if it's

1771
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:29,120
russell targ or hal put off but they

1772
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:32,480
unseal his secret sealed military file

1773
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:34,400
and they pull out a book

1774
01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:35,759
and the book is

1775
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:38,159
raymond moody's book a near-death

1776
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:41,199
experience and the important thing to me

1777
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:44,080
there and this is like classic phil

1778
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:45,440
fairbanks

1779
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:48,799
putting together the pieces

1780
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:51,440
they knew that there was something about

1781
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:54,000
near-death experience about being in

1782
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:57,360
that extended realm that also connected

1783
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:58,880
with the

1784
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:01,440
crazy stuff they were doing with remote

1785
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:02,400
viewing

1786
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:05,920
in ingo swan and outside of space-time

1787
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:08,640
and how do we see russian subs

1788
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,280
from palo alto they didn't know exactly

1789
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:13,840
how it all worked but they did know at

1790
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,480
some and some level that this

1791
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:18,400
extended consciousness realm of

1792
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,960
near-death experience was somehow

1793
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:22,239
related

1794
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:23,199
to

1795
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:24,719
that

1796
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:29,600
on

1797
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:32,560
stargate and remote viewing it is all

1798
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:34,960
the other things that you say like you

1799
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:37,440
are i don't think you are incorrect at

1800
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:39,199
all and like these guys say here's

1801
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:41,360
another interesting tie back to your

1802
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:43,199
work

1803
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:44,960
and again folks when we're talking to

1804
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:47,040
phil fairbanks

1805
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,080
we're talking to a guy who wrote the

1806
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:52,560
story was in paranoia magazine

1807
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:57,360
yeah mk ultra on mk ultra in like 2003

1808
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:01,360
or 2004 issue 2003.

1809
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:03,520
think about that that's almost 20 years

1810
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:04,400
ago

1811
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:06,000
he's

1812
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:08,800
scooping the the muck and laying out the

1813
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:12,719
dirt on mk ultra unbelievable

1814
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:15,679
i mean that is a foundational kind of

1815
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:18,320
investigative research that

1816
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:19,600
you know he's never going to get any

1817
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:21,120
credit for it because that's not oh

1818
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:23,280
it'll get he'll glue nobody

1819
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:25,600
nobody wants to know

1820
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,719
know you know

1821
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:28,560
there's a lot of ties between the

1822
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:31,360
stargate and mk ultra as well not least

1823
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:35,199
of which being pure itch but also frank

1824
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:36,800
sidney godly

1825
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:41,199
godly exactly frank olson pujarich uh uh

1826
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:43,920
gottlieb all like right here in the venn

1827
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:46,400
diagram the the the events that led to

1828
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:49,040
frank olson who once again you know they

1829
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:50,800
dose them with acid and then they push

1830
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:53,120
him out of a 13th uh

1831
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:55,840
a story window after knocking him on on

1832
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:57,360
the back of the head because it wasn't

1833
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:00,080
until like you know his body's exhumed

1834
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:02,960
and they finally do a real autopsy where

1835
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:05,120
it's discovered that no he

1836
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:07,679
he was dead before he hit the ground he

1837
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,480
you know

1838
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:10,480
he got bashed on the back of the head

1839
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,560
was thrown out of a window because when

1840
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:14,640
you fall out of a window and you

1841
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:16,880
committed suicide then they're not going

1842
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:19,280
to check to make sure now

1843
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:21,840
is the reason why his head is shattered

1844
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,080
that he jumped out a window or was he

1845
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:26,640
bashed on the back of the head first uh

1846
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:29,040
but yeah there's like a lot of ties

1847
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:34,960
between the sri and mk ultra and puharic

1848
01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:38,000
and gottlieb and olsen and all this kind

1849
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:40,239
of stuff like a lot of this stuff it

1850
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:42,800
ties back and forth and and i think part

1851
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:45,440
of that you know i i keep going back to

1852
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:48,560
you know it's it's these foundations uh

1853
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:52,320
run by old money families who you know

1854
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:55,199
uh i i like to point out that like the

1855
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:56,800
cia

1856
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:57,840
uh

1857
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:00,800
the cia is is you know grew out of the

1858
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:03,920
oss which was basically a bunch of skull

1859
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:07,280
and bonesmen who once again old money

1860
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:11,440
types prescott bush for instance and uh

1861
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:14,480
billy russell and a lot of these folks

1862
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:15,679
um

1863
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:18,480
they were already rich and then they

1864
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,199
doubled their wealth in the opium wars

1865
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:23,360
you know so this this is this is like

1866
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:26,080
these these old money families who uh

1867
01:13:30,830 --> 01:13:28,560
were involved in the opium wars and then

1868
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:30,840
were selling heroin through the emerald

1869
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:34,560
triangle uh in indochina and vietnam and

1870
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:37,679
then afghanistan and you know

1871
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:40,880
so that's like that that that's another

1872
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,199
part of the story that i think uh

1873
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,600
you know eventually eventually like i

1874
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:47,040
said uh

1875
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:51,280
the the the foundations and uh uh i

1876
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:53,199
guess you call them oligarch families or

1877
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:55,360
whatever i hear you and sometimes i

1878
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:57,040
think that's true but sometimes i read

1879
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:59,120
those biographies and it sounds just

1880
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:00,880
like when we broke down elrond hubbard

1881
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:03,199
and you go no i know that guy he's just

1882
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:05,520
a he's just a hugster and when you read

1883
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:08,640
about uh bush old man bush i understand

1884
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,159
prescott bush he is not an insider he is

1885
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:14,640
not an elite he doesn't have the money

1886
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:17,679
what he sees is a way to get in with

1887
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:18,800
this

1888
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:20,880
these guys who do have the money and

1889
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:23,280
maybe that'll get me the money and maybe

1890
01:14:28,229 --> 01:14:26,080
i can make my kids rich which he does

1891
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:28,239
and all the rest of that stuff but yeah

1892
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:30,320
yeah i look at prescott bush and i

1893
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,640
understand prescott bush he's just

1894
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:34,560
trying to he's trying to make it like

1895
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:38,000
you said he's old-fashioned american

1896
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:40,239
even though uh he has other and then the

1897
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:41,840
other thing i always do in these

1898
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:44,560
discussions that uh kind of shift things

1899
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:46,239
a little bit just like that last one did

1900
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,880
is

1901
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:48,719
you got to look at the reincarnation

1902
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:51,199
research science you know again i go to

1903
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:53,440
university of virginia and you know you

1904
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:55,440
look at what those guys did and all the

1905
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:56,960
research they compiled and are still

1906
01:15:00,790 --> 01:14:58,719
compiling and jim tucker is still

1907
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:00,800
compiling it and there's new stuff that

1908
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:02,560
they're discovering all the time it

1909
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:05,280
totally throws this for a loop the

1910
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:07,520
bottom line for me is that people who

1911
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:10,480
are messing with the spiritual realm

1912
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:11,840
for the most part don't know what the

1913
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,840
[\h__\h] they're doing you know not that

1914
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:15,600
anyone can because the spirits like to

1915
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:17,440
[\h__\h] with people that's the only thing

1916
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:18,880
we can that's the only thing we can

1917
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:20,719
surmise from all this is the spirits

1918
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:22,480
like to [\h__\h] with people and when you

1919
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,199
get god is different like the near death

1920
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,840
experience accounts there's there's no

1921
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:29,760
go go read them you can read thousands

1922
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:31,440
of them you can search through the

1923
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:34,320
near-death exp near-death uh research

1924
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:36,560
foundation jeff long's website where he

1925
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:38,640
has thousands of them chronicled new

1926
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:41,199
york times best-selling author and uh a

1927
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:43,840
doctor physician all these carefully

1928
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,679
compiled surveys

1929
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:47,360
there's no moloch

1930
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:50,719
there's no uh satanic none of that when

1931
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:53,440
these people encounter god encounter the

1932
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:55,679
light walk into that there's none of

1933
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:57,600
that nonsense

1934
01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:59,280
it's like if you want to create that

1935
01:16:04,149 --> 01:16:01,760
game down here well there's apparently

1936
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:04,159
on some lower spiritual level there's

1937
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:06,159
these entities that'll kind of jump

1938
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:07,760
right in there and create that game with

1939
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:10,800
you but on some other level it's not

1940
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:12,800
real in some sense and again i'm not

1941
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:14,960
saying i have any of that figured out to

1942
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:17,920
any extent but i i kind of can call

1943
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:20,239
[\h__\h] on some of this stuff and the

1944
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:22,159
one thing i'd call [\h__\h] on is this

1945
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,000
bloodline thing you can think your

1946
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:26,719
bloodlines are super important and uh

1947
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:28,560
reincarnation research will tell you

1948
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:30,400
they don't mean [\h__\h] you don't know

1949
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:31,920
where you're gonna come back and who

1950
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:34,400
you're gonna be and somebody can groom

1951
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:36,560
you like your parents can groom you into

1952
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,320
believing that all this stuff is true

1953
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:40,320
but that don't make it true

1954
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:41,280
so

1955
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:44,320
i i i guess i i kind of got off on a bit

1956
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:47,440
of a tangent there but that's my read of

1957
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:50,000
these uh these families and oligarchs

1958
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:56,229
regardless of whether you know like you

1959
01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:58,480
know they say you can't take it with you

1960
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:01,760
if that goes for your consciousness and

1961
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:04,400
your lineage or whatever then so be it

1962
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:06,640
but i still i don't know for whatever

1963
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,159
reason even even if it's not so much uh

1964
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:12,800
even if it's more about you know

1965
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:15,520
perpetuating uh the

1966
01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:17,040
uh

1967
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:18,960
their thing you know that thing that

1968
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:20,960
they're a part of uh

1969
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:23,520
which which you know for for whatever

1970
01:17:29,830 --> 01:17:26,480
reason you know it makes no sense to me

1971
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:29,840
why like royalty you know like literally

1972
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:30,800
it's

1973
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:31,760
uh

1974
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:33,600
when you think about it

1975
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:40,149
it's like you know okay let's let's find

1976
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:42,400
the most inbred people in europe and

1977
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:44,239
we'll just put them in charge of

1978
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:46,880
everything because like honestly like

1979
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:49,360
it's royalty the reason why the royals

1980
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:52,000
tend to have hemophilia and polydactyly

1981
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:54,480
why is that it's because

1982
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:57,760
they only marry their cousins you know

1983
01:18:02,709 --> 01:17:59,600
that i i don't know it makes no sense to

1984
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:02,719
me at all uh but

1985
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:06,000
some reason for it uh you know like well

1986
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:07,600
the reason for it is that they believe

1987
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,560
it to be true you know so and and this

1988
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:12,960
was why i kind of hammered so hard on

1989
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,440
the christian thing it's like there's

1990
01:18:20,110 --> 01:18:17,360
millions of people hundreds and hundreds

1991
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:20,120
of generations who have found

1992
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,640
inspiration from

1993
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:24,719
the life of jesus

1994
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:27,040
well does it matter that that life isn't

1995
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:29,840
historically accurate in some respects

1996
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:32,080
it does and in some other respects it

1997
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:35,199
doesn't because our connection to

1998
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:38,719
this spiritual realm is misunderstood by

1999
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:41,040
us because it has to be we are not in

2000
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,120
the position we are the dog you know

2001
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:45,199
like get i got a dog who's at the window

2002
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:48,239
she wants to go for her walk she she is

2003
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:50,320
incredibly empathetic on a number of

2004
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:52,640
levels and it probably can process

2005
01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:54,400
information and you know can smell

2006
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:56,159
things and all this but on another

2007
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:58,640
cognitive level she just cannot process

2008
01:19:02,229 --> 01:19:00,719
things the same way that i can this is

2009
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:02,239
what people tell us about being in the

2010
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:04,320
extended realm all the time they say i

2011
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:06,159
knew the answers to everything and then

2012
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,239
when i came back here i didn't have them

2013
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:10,239
anymore so does it surprise me that

2014
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:12,719
people can follow some

2015
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:13,760
really

2016
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:15,760
being influenced into following some

2017
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:16,640
really

2018
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:18,560
sick stupid

2019
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:21,040
thing of there's this bloodline and we

2020
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:23,199
all have to have this family and stuff

2021
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:25,520
like that because genealogically right

2022
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:27,360
sometimes we have these royals in this

2023
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:29,600
bloodline and then you find out there's

2024
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:31,840
a little thing going on in the back and

2025
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:34,159
that guy that kid wasn't exactly you

2026
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:36,640
know this and that well hey he was up

2027
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:38,719
until a minute ago he was a part of the

2028
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:40,800
bloodline and the whole thing

2029
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:43,840
it's it to me it fits much more into

2030
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:46,560
that kind of scenario of a human created

2031
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:48,960
a human

2032
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:52,239
idea than it does this

2033
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:54,640
the deep reality of

2034
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:57,199
royals or bloodlines or any of the rest

2035
01:20:03,110 --> 01:19:59,600
human invention i think

2036
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:03,120
oh yeah yeah uh you know i i would agree

2037
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:05,120
with you there uh

2038
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:06,800
but but at the same time i think that

2039
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:09,840
there's some part of humanity that

2040
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:12,080
apparently kind of craves it

2041
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:15,280
because otherwise why would you know

2042
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:17,760
it's it's one of those things um

2043
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:19,360
you know like the

2044
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:21,679
transpersonal it's a trans personal

2045
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:23,920
experiences i guess uh charles tart

2046
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:26,080
would put it because it's like the idea

2047
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:28,080
of there's uh you know there's certain

2048
01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:31,840
things that show up in in every culture

2049
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:32,719
and

2050
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:34,560
like you know uh

2051
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,080
the the the these basic archetypes

2052
01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:40,800
that you know they're going to be

2053
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:42,639
shaded and colored a little bit

2054
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:45,520
differently based on the individual and

2055
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:48,320
the society and the culture that uh that

2056
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:50,480
the individual is brought up in but

2057
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:52,480
apart from that there are certain things

2058
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:53,280
and

2059
01:20:58,629 --> 01:20:55,760
apparently having you know

2060
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:58,639
one family that keeps ruling everything

2061
01:21:01,990 --> 01:21:01,040
that's that's something that shows up

2062
01:21:04,070 --> 01:21:02,000
like

2063
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:04,080
you know just going back thousands of

2064
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:06,560
years ago when the people over here and

2065
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:08,800
people over there never could have you

2066
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:10,719
know never could have met they weren't

2067
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:13,760
able to compare notes but this kind of

2068
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:18,159
tribalism and fiefdoms and and kingships

2069
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:20,639
and uh by the way i'm not saying that

2070
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:23,600
that's as it should be or or that we

2071
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:25,600
shouldn't struggle against that i think

2072
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:28,639
that a lot of what maybe is inherent in

2073
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:31,840
human nature it's not necessarily a good

2074
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:34,320
thing like if if all of human nature was

2075
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:35,840
inherently good

2076
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:37,920
then we wouldn't have the world that we

2077
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:41,120
live in you know with with uh like

2078
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:44,880
extreme injustice and inequality and all

2079
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:47,360
this kind of stuff uh

2080
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:49,199
but then on the other uh on the other

2081
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:51,679
hand like i think that there's like some

2082
01:21:56,229 --> 01:21:54,560
part of it like i you know uh i think

2083
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:56,239
that there's there's some kind of an

2084
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:58,480
explanation for it but once again i

2085
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:01,440
think it's you know probably archetypal

2086
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:03,280
and metaphorical for the most part

2087
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:05,440
that's that's one of the reasons why you

2088
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:06,400
know

2089
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:07,760
whether it's

2090
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:11,040
religion mythology folklore or whatever

2091
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:12,639
you know i think that there are some

2092
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:13,600
things

2093
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:14,639
that

2094
01:22:19,990 --> 01:22:17,199
you can't speak plainly about

2095
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:20,000
and that's where poetry and art and

2096
01:22:24,149 --> 01:22:21,920
religion you know

2097
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:24,159
they sometimes fare better than a simple

2098
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:25,760
equation why do you keep throwing

2099
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:27,760
religion in there why isn't religion

2100
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:30,080
better understood as a mind control

2101
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,560
social engineering project same way that

2102
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:34,080
you said

2103
01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:36,880
that the intelligence organizations it

2104
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,440
doesn't take long to build the playbook

2105
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:41,280
you start finding certain things that

2106
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:44,000
work trauma works you know group love

2107
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:46,239
group community there our need to be a

2108
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:48,480
pack you know these things work well why

2109
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:51,040
why doesn't that just explain religion

2110
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:53,520
in a way because i'm with you on poetry

2111
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:56,159
and art and transcendent experiences

2112
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:58,480
that we have that can do that and i

2113
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:00,400
believe that you can attach a

2114
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,719
transcendent experience to religion but

2115
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,560
to me the idea that i'm going to put

2116
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:06,480
together a book and become your

2117
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:09,280
spiritual intermediary and tell you that

2118
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:12,320
you cannot understand your experiences

2119
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:15,199
unless you come through me

2120
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:17,840
that just sounds like good old-fashioned

2121
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:20,400
you know hokum to me uh my

2122
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:23,199
and beyond hokum it sounds like

2123
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:25,840
in coercion and ability to control

2124
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:28,239
people in order to gain an advantage i

2125
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:30,639
can see why you would think that and i

2126
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:32,400
completely get why some people are

2127
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:36,000
turned off of uh religion and especially

2128
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,880
uh

2129
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:38,480
especially like for instance

2130
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:40,880
christianity and and i certainly

2131
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:43,360
wouldn't uh try and pretend that

2132
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:44,639
a mass

2133
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:46,719
of evils hadn't been done in the name of

2134
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:49,920
christianity in fact the majority maybe

2135
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:52,560
even of what's been done in the name of

2136
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:54,960
organized religion

2137
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:57,760
most of it's not good stuff like i i'll

2138
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:00,080
go ahead and concede that right there

2139
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:03,199
but like you know it's uh

2140
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:04,639
whether you want to call it religion or

2141
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:07,280
whatever but when cavemen first like

2142
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:09,360
found some kind of mushroom and then all

2143
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:11,760
of a sudden felt like putting some berry

2144
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:13,520
juice on some walls and next thing you

2145
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:16,880
know there's art there and uh i believe

2146
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,360
that art and communication and language

2147
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:21,360
i believe that they are all kind of tied

2148
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:23,920
together and like the the word religion

2149
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:26,800
itself you know ray lagare to bind back

2150
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:28,639
together again i think that's what

2151
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:30,639
religion should be

2152
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:31,760
um

2153
01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:34,320
then again like i said as far as

2154
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:37,040
organized religion yeah in in most cases

2155
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:40,480
organized religion subverts that natural

2156
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:43,040
desire for you know like you said

2157
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:45,280
transcendence and in connection with the

2158
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:49,040
divine or eternal or or or some higher

2159
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,920
level which you know

2160
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:53,679
even kurt girdle

2161
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:56,000
showed us that even math is incomplete

2162
01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:58,800
you know even our number system like

2163
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:00,880
there there are some inconsistencies and

2164
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:03,040
then you have to go to a higher level

2165
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:04,239
and then that one's going to have

2166
01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:06,159
inconsistencies and it's just you know

2167
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:08,480
infinite regression from there i know

2168
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:10,239
i'm kind of hammering on the religion

2169
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:12,480
thing but i can't i can't let go without

2170
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:14,800
this story so i'm interviewing this guy

2171
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:17,600
jurgen ziva unbelievably fantastic i

2172
01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:20,080
love this guy one of the most gifted out

2173
01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:23,199
of body experience travelers if you will

2174
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:25,520
he's written this book multi-dimensional

2175
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:29,600
man and he's just has this ability to

2176
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:31,840
leave his body and enter into these

2177
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:34,880
extended realms in a very very

2178
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:37,199
amazing way that he can bring back this

2179
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:39,040
information anyways

2180
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:41,360
he's telling me this story about his

2181
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:43,360
trip to greece and i don't know if

2182
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:44,719
you've ever seen

2183
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:47,199
this monastery in greece that's built on

2184
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:48,960
this little island

2185
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:50,480
and it's this tiny little island and

2186
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:52,880
they built this huge fortress because

2187
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:56,080
you know this carrying the light of god

2188
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:57,920
is not easy and there's people who are

2189
01:26:02,070 --> 01:25:59,760
going to attack you so you gotta have a

2190
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:02,080
fortress than the monastery

2191
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:04,080
and you walk up if you ever see a

2192
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:06,320
picture of it you have to walk up this

2193
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:08,960
trail of miles up and up and up and up

2194
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:11,120
the mountain and he does that and he

2195
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:13,120
gets there and there's all these greek

2196
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:14,960
orthodox which was i was raised greek

2197
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:16,880
orthodox

2198
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:18,639
and there's all these people there who

2199
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,560
are trying to have some kind of

2200
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:22,800
experience some kind of connection

2201
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:25,440
but they're not allowed in the monastery

2202
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:28,320
you know you can only go like to the

2203
01:26:34,470 --> 01:26:30,880
gift shop kind of thing

2204
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:34,480
lo and behold one of the priests leans

2205
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:38,239
over and sees jurgen

2206
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:40,960
come on in come on in come on in

2207
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:44,239
gives him this special kind of treatment

2208
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:47,199
or something going on here right so he

2209
01:26:51,189 --> 01:26:49,360
brings him into this room

2210
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:51,199
and first they connect and they talk and

2211
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:52,960
they're just like they like each other

2212
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:54,159
and they talk and they have this thing

2213
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:55,760
and then he says hey i want to show you

2214
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:56,800
something

2215
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:58,560
and the priest brings him into the room

2216
01:27:03,430 --> 01:27:01,440
and the room is black dark

2217
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:03,440
and suddenly he goes over and he hears a

2218
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:04,400
creaking

2219
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:06,960
metal thing and he's lowering

2220
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:08,880
this candle

2221
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:10,320
chandelier

2222
01:27:16,629 --> 01:27:15,520
candle light reaches and it shows this

2223
01:27:17,669 --> 01:27:16,639
icon

2224
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:17,679
of

2225
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:19,920
i forget it was some saint virgin mary i

2226
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:21,520
don't know

2227
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:24,239
jurgen says it was an unbelievable

2228
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:26,800
ecstatic experience

2229
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:30,080
tears were dripping down my face i felt

2230
01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:33,199
in my heart uh the love of god just

2231
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:34,719
burst through me

2232
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:37,679
and i was like shaken to my knees

2233
01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:39,840
and the guy quick quick quick creak

2234
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:41,920
pulls the chandelier up and it's dark

2235
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:44,239
again and he goes oh my god that was

2236
01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:47,520
such an incredible experience you know

2237
01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:48,320
so

2238
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:50,800
he comes back the next day jurgen does

2239
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:52,400
he wants to see this guy he wants to

2240
01:27:56,950 --> 01:27:54,639
kind of rehab that experience and just

2241
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:56,960
kind of understand it at a deeper level

2242
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:59,040
and he says hey you know i want to go

2243
01:28:02,070 --> 01:28:01,040
see father phillip or whatever the guy's

2244
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:02,080
name is

2245
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:03,679
and he goes what are you talking about

2246
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:05,840
no no no you can't get in here and then

2247
01:28:09,030 --> 01:28:07,360
suddenly father phillip comes in and

2248
01:28:10,310 --> 01:28:09,040
goes oh no that's my buddy and he lets

2249
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:10,320
him in he goes

2250
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:11,440
you know i was thinking about that

2251
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:14,080
experience i want to know he goes okay

2252
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:15,920
i'll take you to another room

2253
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:18,239
so he takes him to another room same

2254
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:21,280
thing completely dark lowers the candles

2255
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:24,719
again he has this ecstatic experience

2256
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:26,560
this connection with christ

2257
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:28,480
consciousness this connection with the

2258
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:32,480
love of god it is complete it is

2259
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:35,760
all-consuming outside of space and time

2260
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:39,360
but the question that i asked jurgen is

2261
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:41,280
so are you a christian

2262
01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:43,679
he kind of chuckles he's austrian german

2263
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:44,639
he goes

2264
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:47,199
well well no i'm not a christian

2265
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:49,199
and his answer is kind of like

2266
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:51,280
i've had these experiences

2267
01:28:56,229 --> 01:28:53,520
you know a good part of my life and it's

2268
01:28:58,229 --> 01:28:56,239
incredible that i had him from this icon

2269
01:29:01,590 --> 01:28:58,239
and this icon was able to

2270
01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:01,600
initiate that inside of me but i don't

2271
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:04,000
understand that to mean that i should

2272
01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:06,960
follow all the other stuff

2273
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:09,840
that they believe there's a direct

2274
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:13,840
spirit out there that is god that i'm

2275
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:16,560
way way paraphrasing for jurgen but you

2276
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:17,840
get the point

2277
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:18,960
and

2278
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:21,920
that's i guess where i come down on

2279
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:23,120
religion

2280
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:28,560
intermediary between you

2281
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:31,120
and your relationship with god but to

2282
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:33,280
attach it to the icon

2283
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:34,480
is

2284
01:29:37,750 --> 01:29:36,320
it might be useful because the icon

2285
01:29:40,390 --> 01:29:37,760
might help

2286
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:40,400
you have that trans-personal experience

2287
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:42,159
but back to what you're saying by buddha

2288
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:43,840
pointing to the moon it's it's just a

2289
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:45,840
finger point the bible

2290
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:48,800
yeah yeah yeah the red words caught up

2291
01:29:54,629 --> 01:29:52,560
on the well even the red words

2292
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,639
and the red words aren't the red words

2293
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:56,880
they're just your red words they're just

2294
01:30:01,830 --> 01:29:59,600
your interpretation of they're not the

2295
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:01,840
red words they're just red words in a

2296
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:07,669
as for me i guess as for

2297
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:11,280
like the red words no i i mean more so

2298
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:13,679
like you know just the the pared down

2299
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:16,719
message love tolerance forgiveness you

2300
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:17,679
know

2301
01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:25,840
down to the essentials i think that's

2302
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:28,719
you know that's like everybody uh

2303
01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:31,840
everybody's clamoring for a revolution i

2304
01:30:37,350 --> 01:30:34,239
hope they realize that until people have

2305
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:37,360
a revolution within themselves

2306
01:30:42,629 --> 01:30:39,520
then it's not going to change out here

2307
01:30:44,709 --> 01:30:42,639
because the way the way the world is and

2308
01:30:46,629 --> 01:30:44,719
the reason why it's the way it is is

2309
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:46,639
because of the way the people are

2310
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:49,120
because you know we've been you know

2311
01:30:54,550 --> 01:30:51,120
creating culture for thousands of years

2312
01:30:57,830 --> 01:30:54,560
and so now we're uh born into this world

2313
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:57,840
with thousands of years of of cultures

2314
01:31:02,390 --> 01:30:59,679
and culture clashes

2315
01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:02,400
basically the idea though of of

2316
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:04,560
love and forgiveness and what you know i

2317
01:31:09,270 --> 01:31:06,719
i definitely believe that's you know

2318
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:09,280
it's it's it's key to just living a good

2319
01:31:16,149 --> 01:31:12,239
life until until you you know change

2320
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:16,159
yourself from within and uh can be more

2321
01:31:22,149 --> 01:31:19,760
loving and kind and you know uh

2322
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:22,159
then then all the other things all the

2323
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:23,760
other work it's

2324
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:26,560
not going to be as uh uh

2325
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:28,800
productive as it could be or should be

2326
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:31,360
maybe okay i'm going to pull you in a

2327
01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:32,880
different direction i know i'm raking

2328
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:35,120
you over the coals here but

2329
01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:37,760
that's what we do on skeptico the et

2330
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:38,960
thing

2331
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:42,880
let me play a little clip

2332
01:31:47,910 --> 01:31:45,920
from i think a a really great movie not

2333
01:31:50,229 --> 01:31:47,920
a perfect movie but a great movie the

2334
01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:50,239
phenomenon and and then we'll talk about

2335
01:31:53,830 --> 01:31:51,280
it

2336
01:31:56,390 --> 01:31:53,840
cases oh yeah that are not explainable

2337
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:56,400
in conventional terms

2338
01:31:59,750 --> 01:31:58,320
that have been made by credible

2339
01:32:03,350 --> 01:31:59,760
observers

2340
01:32:05,590 --> 01:32:03,360
of relatively incredible things

2341
01:32:07,110 --> 01:32:05,600
we got right up to it it lit up was this

2342
01:32:10,629 --> 01:32:07,120
a warning was this an attempt to

2343
01:32:11,910 --> 01:32:10,639
communicate sounds good

2344
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:11,920
i was

2345
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:13,920
running and playing and then i saw this

2346
01:32:20,070 --> 01:32:17,520
maroon color in the sky

2347
01:32:21,410 --> 01:32:20,080
it was not anything from this earth it

2348
01:32:23,750 --> 01:32:21,420
was looking at all of us

2349
01:32:26,149 --> 01:32:23,760
[Music]

2350
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:26,159
okay i might stop there where my

2351
01:32:30,950 --> 01:32:29,040
starting point i guess especially lately

2352
01:32:35,590 --> 01:32:30,960
for people who are

2353
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:35,600
not et ufo friendly or not on board is

2354
01:32:41,110 --> 01:32:36,880
the nukes

2355
01:32:43,030 --> 01:32:41,120
all the [\h__\h] all the consciousness

2356
01:32:47,910 --> 01:32:43,040
[\h__\h] and get right down to nuts and

2357
01:32:49,030 --> 01:32:47,920
bolts so the ufos fly over the nukes in

2358
01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:49,040
maelstrom

2359
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:51,280
air force base and they

2360
01:32:55,990 --> 01:32:53,360
the guys report hey

2361
01:32:57,910 --> 01:32:56,000
there's ufos up here what do we do so

2362
01:32:59,910 --> 01:32:57,920
this is in the record like this is the

2363
01:33:01,270 --> 01:32:59,920
military has records of this and this

2364
01:33:03,590 --> 01:33:01,280
has come out because these guys have

2365
01:33:06,310 --> 01:33:03,600
disclosed it and then they say well gosh

2366
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:06,320
i don't know and then the ufos fly over

2367
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:08,560
each one of the silos they shoot down a

2368
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:11,840
red beam and they disable the nukes one

2369
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:13,920
by one and each one of these by our best

2370
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:16,080
technology our best computers of the

2371
01:33:20,790 --> 01:33:18,639
1960s 70s whatever they are these things

2372
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:20,800
are completely independent that's the

2373
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:22,800
idea you wouldn't want one nuke going

2374
01:33:27,110 --> 01:33:24,960
out and oh gosh go plug it back in

2375
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:27,120
they're all out it's like no this is

2376
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:30,080
impossible to do so there is an

2377
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:32,880
intelligence that flies around in these

2378
01:33:37,110 --> 01:33:34,800
nuts and bolts crafts and shoots down

2379
01:33:40,470 --> 01:33:37,120
this beam and this intelligence has the

2380
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:40,480
ability to understand our most advanced

2381
01:33:45,990 --> 01:33:44,000
technology and disable it now in russia

2382
01:33:47,750 --> 01:33:46,000
in the ukraine after the

2383
01:33:49,830 --> 01:33:47,760
wall falls and he goes in there they go

2384
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:49,840
oh you know what same thing happened to

2385
01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:50,719
us

2386
01:33:55,669 --> 01:33:52,960
but they turned them on

2387
01:33:56,550 --> 01:33:55,679
the nukes flew over our silos and one by

2388
01:33:58,229 --> 01:33:56,560
one

2389
01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:58,239
they turned them on and we were

2390
01:34:01,750 --> 01:34:00,320
panicking we were like these things are

2391
01:34:02,790 --> 01:34:01,760
going to go off and the world is going

2392
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:02,800
to end because we're going to be

2393
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:04,800
destroyed and then

2394
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:08,800
the ufos shut them down one by one so

2395
01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:11,840
when people are not like i say ufo

2396
01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:14,080
friendly and et friendly because some

2397
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:16,960
people strangely enough will acknowledge

2398
01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:20,000
ufos but will not acknowledge e.t

2399
01:34:24,149 --> 01:34:22,239
i i i it i don't know here we have the

2400
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:24,159
intel so we have the nuts and bolts here

2401
01:34:28,550 --> 01:34:26,639
we have intelligence we have technology

2402
01:34:31,110 --> 01:34:28,560
and we have some kind of message which

2403
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:31,120
gets us into the good e.t bad et thing

2404
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:37,590
what say you feel i'm i'm not certain i

2405
01:34:41,350 --> 01:34:40,400
kind of like once again the the idea

2406
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:41,360
that

2407
01:34:49,669 --> 01:34:46,560
about all through history you know

2408
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:49,679
ezekiel talks about flying saucers you

2409
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:53,199
know there's uh there's whirling fires

2410
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:57,280
in the sky and you know i think that

2411
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:00,800
since we're in a post-industrial society

2412
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:03,840
that's why we're seeing them as aliens

2413
01:35:09,750 --> 01:35:07,199
and in flying saucers hold on gotta jump

2414
01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:09,760
in there it doesn't wash in the sense

2415
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:10,560
that

2416
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:12,880
if we are going to have this discussion

2417
01:35:16,870 --> 01:35:15,360
if we are in this consensus reality

2418
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:16,880
speaking around the world you're in the

2419
01:35:21,189 --> 01:35:19,199
philippines i'm in southern california

2420
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:21,199
we're talking through zoom where all

2421
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:23,520
this stuff works if we're going to

2422
01:35:27,990 --> 01:35:26,400
accept that that is the the consensus

2423
01:35:29,669 --> 01:35:28,000
reality because there can be all sorts

2424
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:29,679
of different realities as we're saying

2425
01:35:34,149 --> 01:35:31,600
there can be this extended consciousness

2426
01:35:35,350 --> 01:35:34,159
reality there can be this simulation

2427
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:35,360
that we're in there can be all this

2428
01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:37,520
other [\h__\h] but for right now we're

2429
01:35:41,910 --> 01:35:39,440
talking about the nuts and bolts reality

2430
01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:41,920
of us communicating in zoom that is the

2431
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:44,400
same reality that they experienced at

2432
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:46,960
the nuclear air force base and that they

2433
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:48,800
had these rockets that if they shoot

2434
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:51,280
them off they do go and they do blow up

2435
01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:53,520
[\h__\h] and they would destroy

2436
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:56,480
incinerate millions of people and they

2437
01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:59,199
turned them on and turned them off so

2438
01:36:04,390 --> 01:36:01,360
i think we just have to

2439
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:04,400
put ezekiel to the side for a minute and

2440
01:36:09,910 --> 01:36:07,679
say this is what happened here this is

2441
01:36:12,229 --> 01:36:09,920
our nuts and bolts reality and then we

2442
01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:12,239
have to try and make sense of that

2443
01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:14,960
inside of this reality before we start

2444
01:36:18,310 --> 01:36:17,119
jumping off into some other you know

2445
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:18,320
kind of right

2446
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:19,840
what i'm saying though what we're

2447
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:23,280
experienced as you know uh

2448
01:36:29,590 --> 01:36:25,600
there's the dwarf

2449
01:36:32,149 --> 01:36:29,600
in the the the celtic idea or the uh

2450
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:32,159
anunnaki for the sumerians but there's

2451
01:36:37,350 --> 01:36:34,960
you know this idea that once again it's

2452
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:37,360
uh it's people who never met each other

2453
01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:40,080
had an idea of you know there were these

2454
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:40,880
these

2455
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:44,719
uh brilliantly talented uh people or the

2456
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:47,520
idea of uh you know the the nephilim

2457
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:50,639
those who came from above you know that

2458
01:36:56,229 --> 01:36:53,840
the word elohim is is plural by the way

2459
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:56,239
meaning they who come from above

2460
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:58,960
i think that there's a possibility that

2461
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:01,199
there can be different different

2462
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:03,760
explanations for different uh phenomenon

2463
01:37:07,669 --> 01:37:05,280
and experiences

2464
01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:07,679
but uh i think there's also a

2465
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:09,440
possibility that

2466
01:37:15,270 --> 01:37:11,600
you know whatever it was

2467
01:37:18,229 --> 01:37:15,280
that the egyptians saw uh and and and

2468
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:18,239
the mayans saw you know like there there

2469
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:20,800
you know there are some uh

2470
01:37:26,709 --> 01:37:21,600
you know

2471
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:30,149
i guess you could call them uh gods or

2472
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:33,280
or demiurges or angels or demons or you

2473
01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:35,360
could call them uh you know

2474
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:38,800
hyperdimensional beings or or whatever

2475
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:41,360
uh but yeah i think that there's like

2476
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:42,719
even if

2477
01:37:47,669 --> 01:37:45,119
and uh here's where we might disagree

2478
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:47,679
again even if reality is just what we

2479
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:50,239
believe etcetera etcetera and

2480
01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:51,199
you know

2481
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:52,719
but even so

2482
01:37:58,790 --> 01:37:56,880
even if there are no angels and demons

2483
01:38:01,750 --> 01:37:58,800
there are because they exist in our

2484
01:38:04,629 --> 01:38:01,760
dreams they are because they exist like

2485
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:04,639
that's why they're in our mythology i

2486
01:38:09,910 --> 01:38:07,840
think it was ernst casserer uh caster

2487
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:09,920
the dreams are private myths and

2488
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:12,480
mythology or public dreams like that's

2489
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:14,800
kind of the way i see it as far as like

2490
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:17,520
the consensus trance and consensual

2491
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:20,400
reality or whatever yeah i think i think

2492
01:38:23,830 --> 01:38:21,920
that um

2493
01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:23,840
you know there's a firm

2494
01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:26,719
scientific basis for the idea that

2495
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:29,360
things are not as they appear just just

2496
01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:32,080
that that alone i think i think that can

2497
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:34,639
be taken to be you know uh

2498
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:36,320
as a fundamental things are not

2499
01:38:41,669 --> 01:38:39,920
necessarily as they they appear uh

2500
01:38:43,270 --> 01:38:41,679
you know for instance

2501
01:38:45,750 --> 01:38:43,280
just write down the fact that like you

2502
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:45,760
know the things that appear solid to me

2503
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:48,800
are actually vibrating on on on some

2504
01:38:54,149 --> 01:38:51,280
level you know everything's vibrating on

2505
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:54,159
some level uh regardless how it it

2506
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:57,280
appears on the level you know however i

2507
01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:00,560
have to process it uh in order to uh you

2508
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:03,119
know uh

2509
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:06,080
like uh what was it the uh

2510
01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:08,800
i i corresponded with uh dr charles tart

2511
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:10,719
for a little while i liked his

2512
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:12,800
description of ego

2513
01:39:19,270 --> 01:39:16,639
as a reality coping mechanism the idea

2514
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:19,280
of i for instance that this is my

2515
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:22,000
reality coping mechanism my personality

2516
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:22,880
the

2517
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:27,600
this is just this is just how i deal

2518
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:29,920
with the fact that

2519
01:39:35,109 --> 01:39:32,000
you know uh

2520
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:35,119
like i'm i i'm not the same body that i

2521
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:37,760
was 10 years ago i'm not the same mind

2522
01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:41,280
that i was uh five minutes ago you know

2523
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:43,760
it's you know uh

2524
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:47,360
uh so yeah like i i honestly don't i

2525
01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:49,440
don't know how important it is

2526
01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:50,480
to know

2527
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:53,600
uh whether whether uh you know something

2528
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:54,480
is

2529
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:57,280
uh just an archetypal metaphor and

2530
01:40:02,950 --> 01:39:59,440
that's why it's in everybody's uh

2531
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:02,960
mythology and dreams and you know

2532
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:05,199
uh shows up in art and literature over

2533
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:07,520
and over again like is there you know i

2534
01:40:13,350 --> 01:40:10,480
i don't even know you know i mean i i i

2535
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:13,360
see the value and if there if there was

2536
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:15,280
a way to get a crowbar and pull them

2537
01:40:21,669 --> 01:40:19,199
apart but as it is like if if you can't

2538
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:21,679
like i think maybe part of the mystery

2539
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:24,960
is part of the fun you know like uh

2540
01:40:29,590 --> 01:40:27,520
it's kind of like the idea of you know

2541
01:40:33,030 --> 01:40:29,600
of course we can't understand you know

2542
01:40:35,669 --> 01:40:33,040
the mind of god the the the you can't

2543
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:35,679
understand how could you fathom that of

2544
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:37,679
whatever created you that's like the

2545
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:40,159
idea of uh you know i've heard it said

2546
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:41,920
that if uh

2547
01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:44,639
you know our brains are far too you know

2548
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:48,480
complex for us to fully understand uh

2549
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:50,800
and if they were simple enough for us to

2550
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:53,840
figure out we would be too dumb

2551
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:56,800
at that point you know so it's it's like

2552
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:59,040
that's that that's how i see that whole

2553
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:01,280
you know it's it's kind of like a

2554
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:04,080
like a riddle or a co-on or whatever but

2555
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:06,560
like like for me i you know i don't know

2556
01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:08,719
i don't know if it's uh entirely

2557
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:11,840
important to know you know uh

2558
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:14,320
uh when it when it comes to uh to some

2559
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:17,040
matters anyways i i can see where uh for

2560
01:41:23,350 --> 01:41:20,880
other people uh it would be a of a much

2561
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:23,360
greater value and and like i said if

2562
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:26,320
there was an answer there is you know uh

2563
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:28,400
you know a definitive answer but that's

2564
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:32,400
the whole thing you know uh sometimes uh

2565
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:34,320
it like

2566
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:36,880
that's that's one of the key i think

2567
01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:39,600
traps of science too really you know

2568
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:40,960
like

2569
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,880
just think of a molecule for instance

2570
01:41:48,870 --> 01:41:46,960
you know like you can write down what a

2571
01:41:52,229 --> 01:41:48,880
molecule looks like

2572
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:52,239
but molecules are 3d so that's not what

2573
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:55,119
a molecule looks like you know and also

2574
01:41:59,750 --> 01:41:57,360
like you've got this molecule and it's

2575
01:42:02,310 --> 01:41:59,760
like in this arm's going out here

2576
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:02,320
but you can also bend it this way and

2577
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:04,239
it's the same molecule

2578
01:42:08,470 --> 01:42:05,520
but you know

2579
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:08,480
if it's right armed or left arm it it

2580
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:10,880
changes the way like it affects

2581
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:13,119
everything so i think like you know

2582
01:42:18,070 --> 01:42:15,840
that's that's one of the uh traps of

2583
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:18,080
science is that if you try to like

2584
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:20,880
quantify everything then you're missing

2585
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:22,560
something you're going to miss something

2586
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:25,920
you know like i like i i i wouldn't

2587
01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:28,480
presume to understand like you know uh

2588
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:30,800
quantum science or anything but i know

2589
01:42:33,910 --> 01:42:33,199
enough about like everett wheeler and

2590
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:33,920
the

2591
01:42:43,109 --> 01:42:41,119
uh you know

2592
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:43,119
things definitely aren't as they appear

2593
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:47,280
reality is not as it appears and

2594
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:48,239
uh

2595
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:49,440
you know i i don't think it's a

2596
01:42:53,830 --> 01:42:51,840
coincidence that so many uh

2597
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:53,840
you know like is it a coincidence that

2598
01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:54,800
so many

2599
01:43:01,430 --> 01:42:57,920
conscious uh consciousness researchers

2600
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:01,440
uh and and physicists and and quantum

2601
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:04,960
mechanics end up like becoming mystics i

2602
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:08,159
don't think it is i think you know uh

2603
01:43:12,790 --> 01:43:10,560
once you realize oh wait everything's

2604
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:12,800
buzzing everything's vibrating i just

2605
01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:15,199
can't see it because i would go crazy if

2606
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:18,400
i saw and heard everything you know uh

2607
01:43:24,310 --> 01:43:20,880
so yeah for for me like i don't know as

2608
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:24,320
far as the the alien and the the you i i

2609
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:27,280
definitely i definitely uh think that

2610
01:43:33,189 --> 01:43:30,400
there may be a connection between the uh

2611
01:43:35,669 --> 01:43:33,199
ufos uap i guess is the new politically

2612
01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:35,679
correct term uh

2613
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:38,560
uh and and et's i don't know there there

2614
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:42,000
may be but uh i'm also

2615
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:45,440
uh like as as as far as i know you know

2616
01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:47,840
like uh

2617
01:43:52,629 --> 01:43:50,480
maybe they just exist on on some mental

2618
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:52,639
level but once again like that's not

2619
01:43:58,870 --> 01:43:55,920
that's not any less real to me like if

2620
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:58,880
if you don't have any matter if you're

2621
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:01,360
if you're just like uh

2622
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:03,600
an idea form you know

2623
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:04,880
um

2624
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:06,880
like that's that's like the idea of a

2625
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:09,600
like you know a tulpa in tibet

2626
01:44:14,709 --> 01:44:11,840
in tibetan buddhism like you know when

2627
01:44:16,709 --> 01:44:14,719
when you create an idea and

2628
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:16,719
that's basically what a mean is though

2629
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:19,040
too you know for that matter like you

2630
01:44:23,189 --> 01:44:20,400
know memes

2631
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:23,199
uh that's like in the dawkins sense

2632
01:44:28,229 --> 01:44:25,360
anyways like you know cultures made up

2633
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:28,239
of memes and tropes and these uh you

2634
01:44:33,790 --> 01:44:31,600
know images and glyphs and and so yeah

2635
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:33,800
whether or not like they're

2636
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:36,719
extraterrestrial or hyperdimensional

2637
01:44:41,669 --> 01:44:37,679
or

2638
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:41,679
just constructs and archetypes like

2639
01:44:45,430 --> 01:44:42,800
they

2640
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:45,440
i don't think like one has more or less

2641
01:44:49,510 --> 01:44:48,320
power necessarily like you know

2642
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:49,520
if they're

2643
01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:50,880
uh

2644
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:53,920
disc corporate or or corporate like i

2645
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:56,960
don't know i don't know i uh i i don't

2646
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:58,800
even know like

2647
01:45:04,950 --> 01:45:01,679
for me it's it's it's not like a huge

2648
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:04,960
deal but i think part of that is because

2649
01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:07,440
like uh i don't know i i don't i don't

2650
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:09,920
think uh i don't think all the mysteries

2651
01:45:13,590 --> 01:45:11,520
are gonna be unraveled in this life

2652
01:45:16,229 --> 01:45:13,600
necessarily per se

2653
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:16,239
phil i i love what you just said about

2654
01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:18,800
tarte and the reality coping mechanism

2655
01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:20,560
that you bring because part of what

2656
01:45:24,229 --> 01:45:22,159
we're doing and part of what kind of

2657
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:24,239
drew me to your work is

2658
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:27,360
there's something about truth that and

2659
01:45:30,709 --> 01:45:28,080
the

2660
01:45:32,950 --> 01:45:30,719
systematic pursuit of truth

2661
01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:32,960
the unflinching

2662
01:45:38,629 --> 01:45:35,679
pursuit of truth that i think

2663
01:45:40,629 --> 01:45:38,639
does bolster our spirits a little bit it

2664
01:45:42,830 --> 01:45:40,639
allows us to sort through what's real

2665
01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:42,840
and what's not so i

2666
01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:46,000
is alone it's like it's like the pursuit

2667
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:47,440
of happiness like that's where the

2668
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:49,760
happiness is at the happiness is in the

2669
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:51,920
pursuit of it you know what happens if

2670
01:45:55,590 --> 01:45:53,840
you catch happiness well i don't know

2671
01:45:58,550 --> 01:45:55,600
you better let it go else what do you

2672
01:46:01,430 --> 01:45:58,560
have to pursue now

2673
01:46:03,590 --> 01:46:01,440
so what what are you pursuing now what

2674
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:03,600
what's going on in in your world and

2675
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:05,520
what's coming up for you

2676
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:07,600
uh you know um

2677
01:46:12,950 --> 01:46:10,320
uh i i haven't i haven't announced what

2678
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:12,960
the next uh project that i'm currently

2679
01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:15,199
working on is i'm still waiting for the

2680
01:46:18,790 --> 01:46:16,320
second book

2681
01:46:20,629 --> 01:46:18,800
uh edits to be finished and you know

2682
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:20,639
speaking of edits i wasn't able to get

2683
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:23,360
the uh pedogate primer was not

2684
01:46:29,109 --> 01:46:25,520
professionally edited i had to proofread

2685
01:46:31,510 --> 01:46:29,119
that myself and there are some uh uh

2686
01:46:33,430 --> 01:46:31,520
some grammar and typo issues that i'm

2687
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:33,440
hopefully gonna get fixed soon

2688
01:46:38,310 --> 01:46:37,119
uh but yeah by next year i hope to have

2689
01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:38,320
uh

2690
01:46:50,550 --> 01:46:47,520
the veils of the unelected shadow

2691
01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:50,560
government uh and in another project

2692
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:51,920
that i've been working on for a little

2693
01:47:00,070 --> 01:46:55,440
over a year now and um i'm gonna be real

2694
01:47:02,070 --> 01:47:00,080
coy uh and and not give anything away

2695
01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:02,080
while also get

2696
01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:04,400
i i gave you i'll give you a big hint

2697
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:06,159
but at the same time it gives nothing

2698
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:09,520
away it has to do with dr morris west

2699
01:47:16,470 --> 01:47:12,000
which really narrows it down so it could

2700
01:47:18,470 --> 01:47:16,480
be about jonestown or jfk or mcveigh or

2701
01:47:21,030 --> 01:47:18,480
scientology or charles manson or you

2702
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:21,040
know who knows maybe k ultra or whatever

2703
01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:23,760
but it's gonna have something to do with

2704
01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:28,159
uh uh with uh dr dr west uh like i said

2705
01:47:32,709 --> 01:47:30,400
i've i've gotten some of his papers from

2706
01:47:34,870 --> 01:47:32,719
the library special collection they're

2707
01:47:37,189 --> 01:47:34,880
luckily able to like digitize it and

2708
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:37,199
send it to me i had to wait like a few

2709
01:47:40,709 --> 01:47:39,119
weeks or whatever because they give you

2710
01:47:42,709 --> 01:47:40,719
know ucla

2711
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:42,719
staff and students obviously get first

2712
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:45,119
dibs and if you're not then you just

2713
01:47:49,669 --> 01:47:46,960
have to wait a few weeks or a month and

2714
01:47:51,750 --> 01:47:49,679
a half or whatever and then they said in

2715
01:47:54,629 --> 01:47:51,760
another month which is like two or three

2716
01:47:56,709 --> 01:47:54,639
weeks from now i should be able to uh

2717
01:47:58,470 --> 01:47:56,719
request some more and then i'll be able

2718
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:58,480
to wait three or four more weeks but no

2719
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:00,800
i'm gonna be stacking morris west

2720
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:03,440
documents over the next uh few months

2721
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:05,520
that's uh that's definitely a big part

2722
01:48:10,229 --> 01:48:06,960
of it i've got a

2723
01:48:12,790 --> 01:48:10,239
uh so some interviews uh like the the

2724
01:48:15,189 --> 01:48:12,800
the first book you know

2725
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:15,199
the first book in the uh the second one

2726
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:17,280
the the deep state book both of them are

2727
01:48:21,910 --> 01:48:18,560
very similar

2728
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:21,920
and they take a very like uh wide

2729
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:22,960
approach

2730
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:26,880
you know it's just a survey it's like uh

2731
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:28,560
just showing all these different things

2732
01:48:32,149 --> 01:48:30,159
and like you know they're all kind of

2733
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:32,159
somewhat connected to kind of give you

2734
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:35,920
this you know wide angle view of things

2735
01:48:40,790 --> 01:48:38,639
uh but on the project that i'm working

2736
01:48:43,189 --> 01:48:40,800
on right now that i'm doing the research

2737
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:43,199
and note-taking and interviewing uh

2738
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:45,119
process of now

2739
01:48:51,030 --> 01:48:48,719
this is going to be a deep dive like uh

2740
01:48:53,189 --> 01:48:51,040
which you know i think both are equally

2741
01:48:55,830 --> 01:48:53,199
important just depending you know

2742
01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:55,840
depending on uh because once again

2743
01:49:02,070 --> 01:48:58,639
depending on on the angle that you look

2744
01:49:03,590 --> 01:49:02,080
at something from you know uh the the

2745
01:49:06,709 --> 01:49:03,600
the observer

2746
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:06,719
and the observed it's it's you know uh

2747
01:49:10,790 --> 01:49:09,119
like that that right there by the way

2748
01:49:12,830 --> 01:49:10,800
you know that kind of thing that's

2749
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:12,840
that's that's poetry to me that's

2750
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:16,400
transcendental you know uh

2751
01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:19,440
it's a and and and and i also agree with

2752
01:49:22,790 --> 01:49:21,040
you by the way

2753
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:22,800
is something uh

2754
01:49:27,430 --> 01:49:25,199
in the search for truth and not just

2755
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:27,440
happiness but in the search for you know

2756
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:29,840
truth and meaning because that's you

2757
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:32,800
know i i personally believe that like

2758
01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:34,880
you know hedonism will only get you so

2759
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:35,840
far

2760
01:49:39,430 --> 01:49:37,520
um

2761
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:39,440
maybe some folks i i

2762
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:41,360
definitely folks are built different and

2763
01:49:46,149 --> 01:49:44,320
you know your mileage may vary but but

2764
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:46,159
you know for my money's worth i think i

2765
01:49:52,790 --> 01:49:48,480
think that we all get more out of

2766
01:49:56,310 --> 01:49:52,800
reality if you know if we sh

2767
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:56,320
kind and and once again uh like the idea

2768
01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:57,840
of you know everybody who wants a

2769
01:50:01,830 --> 01:50:00,400
revolution you know like you realize

2770
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:01,840
like

2771
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:04,719
revolutions

2772
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:06,880
they often have very similar endings you

2773
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:09,199
know it's it's like the who song it meet

2774
01:50:12,070 --> 01:50:10,960
the new boss he's the same as the old

2775
01:50:13,990 --> 01:50:12,080
boss

2776
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:14,000
so until we're able to like you know

2777
01:50:18,550 --> 01:50:16,800
figure out what's going on in here and

2778
01:50:20,229 --> 01:50:18,560
in here that's

2779
01:50:23,189 --> 01:50:20,239
that you know that's the only chance we

2780
01:50:25,589 --> 01:50:23,199
have for any real meaningful revolution

2781
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:25,599
or change is is when we're able to

2782
01:50:30,470 --> 01:50:28,239
change ourselves uh and change our

2783
01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:30,480
immediate surroundings and environment

2784
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:32,639
you know uh make the world a little

2785
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:35,840
better around you and and hope that

2786
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:38,880
trickles down i guess yeah i guess

2787
01:50:43,990 --> 01:50:41,760
trickle down is all we can hope for but

2788
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:44,000
we're all trickling down into each other

2789
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:46,480
and and i i've really benefited a lot

2790
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:48,719
from the stuff that you've done that's

2791
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:51,119
trickled down my way and i hope people

2792
01:50:54,550 --> 01:50:52,800
check out your website you have some

2793
01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:54,560
you're a great writer you really are and

2794
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:56,159
you really bring up

2795
01:51:00,629 --> 01:50:58,560
a lightness to it and but get all the

2796
01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:00,639
facts out there so yeah

2797
01:51:05,910 --> 01:51:03,360
yeah like i talk about a lot of deep and

2798
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:05,920
dark subjects and you know at the same

2799
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:07,840
time i i don't think people are able to

2800
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:09,440
like square it with me you know when i

2801
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:12,000
was doing the the higher side chats i

2802
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:14,080
saw some people are like you know

2803
01:51:18,229 --> 01:51:16,400
like is is he is he taking this stuff as

2804
01:51:19,990 --> 01:51:18,239
a joke or something like no

2805
01:51:22,229 --> 01:51:20,000
i've got kind of a super silliest

2806
01:51:24,629 --> 01:51:22,239
expression half the time because if i

2807
01:51:28,629 --> 01:51:24,639
didn't i would go crazy you know like

2808
01:51:31,430 --> 01:51:28,639
honestly like i make light of things uh

2809
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:31,440
you know because things are so heavy you

2810
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:34,000
know things are really heavy and that's

2811
01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:36,480
no reason to let yourself get dragged

2812
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:38,320
down by them you know that's another

2813
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:40,639
thing that you know i i always try and

2814
01:51:44,149 --> 01:51:42,239
mention you know

2815
01:51:46,229 --> 01:51:44,159
um

2816
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:46,239
one of one of the tricks

2817
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:47,199
of

2818
01:51:53,790 --> 01:51:51,599
the powers that be or however you want

2819
01:51:56,470 --> 01:51:53,800
to describe them is

2820
01:51:57,910 --> 01:51:56,480
demoralization and depression you know

2821
01:51:59,589 --> 01:51:57,920
uh because

2822
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:59,599
you're not gonna be on top of things

2823
01:52:02,550 --> 01:52:01,440
you're not gonna change anything in your

2824
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:02,560
own life

2825
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:08,000
if you're demoralized and depressed and

2826
01:52:12,149 --> 01:52:10,080
it's easy to get that way when when you

2827
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:12,159
see like oh well it looks like you know

2828
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:14,960
but no i i don't buy the fact that like

2829
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:16,560
evil is in charge

2830
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:20,000
no i just don't buy it i just don't feel

2831
01:52:26,550 --> 01:52:23,040
it i don't believe it's true i could be

2832
01:52:28,870 --> 01:52:26,560
wrong you know and if i am wrong well

2833
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:28,880
you know i'm i'm glad that i'm wrong

2834
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:31,599
because i'm going to have a better life

2835
01:52:34,629 --> 01:52:33,760
not believing that evil is in charge and

2836
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:34,639
being

2837
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:37,520
frozen with fear or indecision as a

2838
01:52:42,629 --> 01:52:39,760
result so yeah

2839
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:42,639
wow that's really pretty deep i think

2840
01:52:46,149 --> 01:52:44,400
that's very profound

2841
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:46,159
and i agree with you i think the

2842
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:48,800
evidence suggests the opposite

2843
01:52:54,550 --> 01:52:51,679
is that the light is in charge and the

2844
01:52:56,709 --> 01:52:54,560
good is in charge and it's a million

2845
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:56,719
times brighter and stronger than the

2846
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:59,280
dark and that's why the dark

2847
01:53:03,510 --> 01:53:00,960
you know

2848
01:53:05,189 --> 01:53:03,520
thrashes around and does all this stuff

2849
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:05,199
and plays all this game because it's the

2850
01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:07,520
only attention they're going to get

2851
01:53:11,589 --> 01:53:09,920
like a temper tantrum yeah that's right

2852
01:53:13,430 --> 01:53:11,599
and in the stillness of our heart when

2853
01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:13,440
we wade out into the ocean i'm gonna go

2854
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:15,520
into the ocean later on today and you

2855
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:17,199
wait out there a little bit and you look

2856
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:19,280
at the immensity of it and

2857
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:22,320
how small you are and yet how

2858
01:53:27,430 --> 01:53:25,040
god still penetrates through all that

2859
01:53:28,310 --> 01:53:27,440
immensity and reaches you

2860
01:53:34,629 --> 01:53:28,320
that's

2861
01:53:36,149 --> 01:53:34,639
that they're calling magic is just

2862
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:36,159
tricks

2863
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:38,960
right absolutely yeah yeah yeah

2864
01:53:44,229 --> 01:53:42,000
basically parlor tricks yeah

2865
01:53:47,189 --> 01:53:44,239
so awesome man thank you for taking so

2866
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:47,199
much time with me i'm super interested

2867
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:49,360
in the jolly book so let me know when

2868
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:51,119
that comes out yeah i can't wait to

2869
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:52,719
share it with you and i'll see on the

2870
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:55,599
union oh definitely hope so yeah that

2871
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:58,239
was a lot of fun thanks again by the way

2872
01:54:01,430 --> 01:53:59,840
i appreciate it

2873
01:54:03,990 --> 01:54:01,440
thanks again to phillip fairbanks for

2874
01:54:06,390 --> 01:54:04,000
joining me today on skeptico the one

2875
01:54:09,030 --> 01:54:06,400
question i t up from this interview is

2876
01:54:11,109 --> 01:54:09,040
what are we to make of our government's

2877
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:11,119
involvement in

2878
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:13,840
the scariest darkest evil stuff that

2879
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:17,360
they have been exposed now to be a part

2880
01:54:22,950 --> 01:54:19,760
of openly we all do this all along

2881
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:22,960
there's a new little expose out on the

2882
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:26,880
cia and sex trafficking kids as part of

2883
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:28,800
their intelligence gathering i mean

2884
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:30,000
that's just

2885
01:54:34,629 --> 01:54:33,119
we knew it but it's just we can't really

2886
01:54:37,030 --> 01:54:34,639
really really

2887
01:54:39,030 --> 01:54:37,040
get there from here you know land of the

2888
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:39,040
free home of the brave and

2889
01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:41,360
oh let me procure a two-year-old boy for

2890
01:54:45,189 --> 01:54:43,280
you let me procure a six-year-old girl

2891
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:45,199
for you in the hopes that i get some

2892
01:54:49,750 --> 01:54:47,520
information we i don't know i mean i

2893
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:49,760
can't process that i don't know how that

2894
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:51,040
fits together

2895
01:54:55,750 --> 01:54:53,440
maybe you do and that's i guess the

2896
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:55,760
question to tee up from this interview

2897
01:54:59,589 --> 01:54:57,920
is how do we wrap our head around that

2898
01:55:02,310 --> 01:54:59,599
let me know your thoughts

2899
01:55:03,589 --> 01:55:02,320
it's not always dark but as phil does a

2900
01:55:04,629 --> 01:55:03,599
great job of pointing out in this

2901
01:55:07,430 --> 01:55:04,639
interview

2902
01:55:08,790 --> 01:55:07,440
when it is we have to face it and find a

2903
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:08,800
way through it without getting

2904
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:10,480
demoralized without getting depressed

2905
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:11,840
with a way of

2906
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:14,320
continuing to pursue

2907
01:55:17,510 --> 01:55:15,440
the light

2908
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:17,520
at least that's what seems to make the

2909
01:55:22,149 --> 01:55:19,760
most sense to me

2910
01:55:23,860 --> 01:55:22,159
until next time take care and bye for

2911
01:55:37,450 --> 01:55:23,870
now